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Re:Facebook’s Point System Fails to Close Diversity Gap by flukus on Friday August 19, 2016 @12:27AM (#12317967)
Is this just a confirmation of what many of us here suspected all along, that the interview process is way to late in the game to correct for diversity?
Re:Facebook’s Point System Fails to Close Diversity Gap by achompas on Friday August 19, 2016 @01:07AM (#12318065)
No, I don't think so. We don't know what the recruiting funnel looks like at FB, but it is entirely possible that the hiring process has been designed by a group of engineers who, through their homogenous demographics, are either drawing on similarly-homogenous professional networks for references or selecting for characteristics they possess (which could be bad for anyone who's not like them).
Re:Facebook’s Point System Fails to Close Diversity Gap by happyslobro on Friday August 19, 2016 @01:39AM (#12318172)
Based on my own anecdotal experience with hiring developers, the m/f ratio is highly unbalanced before our own biases even come into play. A while ago, we had a recruiting agent helping us to find candidates, based solely on a list of technical criteria. She (yes, she) sent us almost only men, a dozen or two of them. The one exception was a woman who choked on the fizzbuzz test. That was actually really saddening.
Re:Facebook’s Point System Fails to Close Diversity Gap by achompas on Friday August 19, 2016 @01:44PM (#12321863)
Did these technical criteria skew towards mid-level or senior? I've observed this as well, but I've observed a more even balance of junior candidates.

If so, this could be a manifestation of the high attrition rates for experienced female engineers.

Re:Facebook’s Point System Fails to Close Diversity Gap by girvo on Friday August 19, 2016 @12:43AM (#12317999)
It's certainly an anecdote that could be interpreted that way. I think the main answer to things like these are always the same: a multi-pronged approach. Searching for a silver bullet for something as complex as human-human and human-society interactions is somewhat futile: usually we improve these by tackling it in as many ways as we can. I think diversity in hiring is similar, personally.
Re:Facebook’s Point System Fails to Close Diversity Gap by Manishearth on Friday August 19, 2016 @01:15AM (#12318097)
There have been plenty of folks who have proved this wrong. This is the classic "pipeline" argument, which is really just a case of the company restricting the "pipeline" through various practices.

There are plenty of posts out there about why Facebook's recent declaration that their numbers are that way due to the pipeline problem is wrong. There was a particularly good one I recall, but I can't find it sadly. But the other articles out there should suffice too.

There are also many self taught programmers out there, which are not affected by the "pipeline". Interview practices often subconsciously discriminate against them (for example, an overabundance of datastructure questions -- most self taught programmers I know are good enough with datastructures, but haven't become super awesome experts at them because that's not very useful when actually programming. Focusing your interviews on solely these questions excludes nearly half the "pipeline").

The college I was in has an extremely skewed gender ratio. There are many companies out there that nearly exclusively hire from a set of similar colleges as a matter of prestige. And of course have a large gender diversity issue, which they (well, employees there -- in this country there is less of a push for diversity and companies don't make public statements about it) blame on the pipeline. This is absurd. What Facebook does is similar, though not as stark.

Re:Facebook’s Point System Fails to Close Diversity Gap by meira on Friday August 19, 2016 @01:04AM (#12318058)
Yep, but this discussion creates a lot of projects targeting to improve these numbers in the future
Re:Facebook’s Point System Fails to Close Diversity Gap by reefoctopus on Friday August 19, 2016 @01:18AM (#12318105)
Improve. Yes. I for one am going to lobby the government to provide early training for young women who might be interested in coal mining. Hopefully we can reduce the number of men in coal mining in favor of more disadvantaged groups who are less interested in back breaking labor.