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Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by nkrisc on Thursday August 18, 2016 @12:02PM (#12313562)
The same entity (government, state or federal) that sentences individuals to imprisonment should be the same entity responsible for bearing the burden of imprisoning the individual.
Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by moefogs on Thursday August 18, 2016 @12:30PM (#12313927)
If you mean the economic burden, yes, but I don't think they need to bear all the burden

My big complaint with private prisons, as they stand today, is that they tend to get paid based on heads and beds. As such, prisons are rewarded when prisoners behave badly (extending their stay), and when former prisoners reoffend (repeating their stay). There are no countervailing economic pressures.

If we want prisons to work, we need the economics to work in favor of societal goals. Everything else equal, a prison that generates low recidivism should get paid more than one that generates high recidivism, because they're eliminating future costs.

Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by jonlucc on Thursday August 18, 2016 @01:08PM (#12314328)
> If we want prisons to work, we need the economics to work in favor of societal goals.

This is true, but we already ignore that for our prison population. Otherwise, our system would be less punitive and more aimed to reformation and building productive citizens.

Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by themartorana on Thursday August 18, 2016 @01:13PM (#12314380)
Proof that not only do individuals double down on beliefs in the face evidence against them, but so do groups/organizations/governments.
Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by nkrisc on Thursday August 18, 2016 @05:05PM (#12316317)
Yes, the economic burden but also the ethical burden of ensuring their sentence is administered fairly. Corporeal punishment at the hands of the guards is not a fair administration of the punishment.
Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by sremani on Thursday August 18, 2016 @12:20PM (#12313796)
I agree, legislators should add more budget as they expand the definition of criminal behavior. If you want to criminalize up-skirting, all the power but allocate money for the costs. Do not put the burden on corrections department to find money, because you have new prisoners coming your way. Much of the burden of costs move to prisoners was because politicians want to expand the definition of criminal behavior but not the burden of increasing prison population.
Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by jessaustin on Thursday August 18, 2016 @01:57PM (#12314822)
Then they came for the up-skirters, and there was no one left to speak...
Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by justinlardinois on Thursday August 18, 2016 @01:14PM (#12314405)
I guess? I don't think that's why private prisons are wrong, though. Private prisons have an incentive to keep you incarcerated as long as possible, because that's how they make money. The government, on the other hand, has little incentive to keep you in prison; they'd rather you get back into society so you can start paying taxes again.
Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by slavik81 on Thursday August 18, 2016 @01:58PM (#12314830)
The government has many interests. Their goals are driven by politicians who need votes. The skyrocketing rate of imprisonment comes in large part from the public's seemingly insatiable demand for harsher sentences. The only things that voters seem to hate more are tax increases.
Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by justinlardinois on Thursday August 18, 2016 @07:51PM (#12317084)
Perhaps "government" was too broad of a term.

Inmates sometimes end up staying prison longer than their original sentence because of crimes they commit in prison. The point I was making is that a private prison warden has much more of an incentive to punish those crimes severely than a public one does.

Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by 20yrs_no_equity on Thursday August 18, 2016 @12:21PM (#12313821)
And should be responsible, including fines and jail terms, for any harm that happens to the individual while under their care.
Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by munificent on Thursday August 18, 2016 @12:22PM (#12313824)
OK, fine, I guess we'll privatize the courts too since you asked for it.
Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by nkrisc on Thursday August 18, 2016 @02:55PM (#12315321)
That's not what I meant but you could totally take it that way given how I worded what I said.
Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by chinathrow on Thursday August 18, 2016 @12:25PM (#12313860)
No, he didn't ask for it. Where did you read that?
Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by nkrisc on Thursday August 18, 2016 @03:02PM (#12315393)
It's a perfectly valid, though unintended, reading of what I wrote.
Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by munificent on Monday August 22, 2016 @04:34PM (#12339222)
Sorry, forgot to include the surrounding <humor> tags.
Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by nier on Thursday August 18, 2016 @12:37PM (#12314002)
Try to ignore what’s inside the parentheses and the headline.
Re:Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons by SixSigma on Thursday August 18, 2016 @12:07PM (#12313644)
be careful what you wish for because you missed (outsourced) from that list