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Re:Uber’s First Self-Driving Fleet Arrives in Pittsburgh Thi... by efuquen on Thursday August 18, 2016 @10:32AM (#12312753)
> the car would drive to the pickup location empty.

It would seem full driverless with nobody in the car is the big deal here. It doesn't really matter is someone will be behind the wheel later, you already had the thing driving around with no human to intervene in case it does something crazy. Don't see how that's an intermediary step.

Re:Uber’s First Self-Driving Fleet Arrives in Pittsburgh Thi... by 794CD01 on Thursday August 18, 2016 @11:02AM (#12312987)
A car driving around with no human inside poses less risk to human life than a car driving around with a human inside who is unable to control the car.
Re:Uber’s First Self-Driving Fleet Arrives in Pittsburgh Thi... by aetherson on Thursday August 18, 2016 @12:24PM (#12313857)
That's a carefully parsed statement -- less risk. True.

But I don't think that we're cool with the idea that because the number of humans threatened by an accident is reduced by somewhere between 50 and 20%, it's okay for flagrantly unsafe cars to be on the road.

Re:Uber’s First Self-Driving Fleet Arrives in Pittsburgh Thi... by sbarre on Thursday August 18, 2016 @11:49AM (#12313428)
You are clearly not a pedestrian or cyclist in a major city.
Re:Uber’s First Self-Driving Fleet Arrives in Pittsburgh Thi... by user5994461 on Thursday August 18, 2016 @03:37PM (#12315696)
I wouldn't be surprised if driverless cars were way more secure for pedestrians and cyclists.

It's really difficult to keep track of pedestrians and cyclists when driving, whereas a driverless car has 360° nightvision.

Re:Uber’s First Self-Driving Fleet Arrives in Pittsburgh Thi... by fiveoak on Thursday August 18, 2016 @04:11PM (#12315987)
Eventually, it might be. However just because the car has better sensors doesn't mean it will react better than a human would with less information.
Re:Uber’s First Self-Driving Fleet Arrives in Pittsburgh Thi... by user5994461 on Saturday August 20, 2016 @11:45AM (#12327060)
> a human would with less information.

I'm arguing for the case where the human as NO information.

Let's say, there's a bicycle/motorbike somewhat behind your cars.

For a human driver, it can be seen in only one of the 3 rear mirrors at any point in time. Unless it's slightly behind-left or behind-right (e.g. to take over) in which case it's in the dead angle and can't be seen at all.

By turning his head and using the mirrors, a human cannot see most of the 360° around a car. There are obstructed angles, not to mention that the human can only look toward one direction at once.

The self driving cars with 360° vision can see things that a human couldn't. It has a chance to react where the human didn't.

Re:Uber’s First Self-Driving Fleet Arrives in Pittsburgh Thi... by mentat on Thursday August 18, 2016 @05:25PM (#12316427)
No, but it also doesn't mean it won't react better. Are you presenting an argument here?
Re:Uber’s First Self-Driving Fleet Arrives in Pittsburgh Thi... by fiveoak on Thursday August 18, 2016 @06:45PM (#12316834)
Sensor quality shouldn't be used to justify driverless cars being safer than a regular person driving a car. It's useless unless the car can actually use it to make a better decision than a human.
Re:Uber’s First Self-Driving Fleet Arrives in Pittsburgh Thi... by ianlevesque on Thursday August 18, 2016 @11:16AM (#12313114)
But...the other drivers on the road?