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Re:Pesticide link to long-term wild bee decline in 18 year s... by CodeWriter23 on Tuesday August 16, 2016 @09:06PM (#12301813)
Your argument implies some type of biological monoculture, i.e., all crops will behave the same as canola. On what basis do you make this assertion?
Re:Pesticide link to long-term wild bee decline in 18 year s... by tptacek on Tuesday August 16, 2016 @09:16PM (#12301853)
No, I cited canola because it's the crop most widely treated with clothianidin --- virtually all North American canola is treated with neonicotinoids of some sort.

Also, your argument would be a bit stronger if canola wasn't the crop referred to in the study the BBC post is talking about.

Re:Pesticide link to long-term wild bee decline in 18 year s... by sten on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @01:26PM (#12306455)
Bees need some diversity in their diets. They consume nectar and pollen true, but that doesn't go far enough. If I offered you a diet of only Sugar cubes, Soya protein extract and Olive Oil you'd quickly die. Why? That diet has Carbs, Protein and Fat. That's everything a person needs!

It's a known issue that colonies cannot survive long term on substitutes. Why this is isn't clearly known yet but the assumption is that they are missing some dietary analogue to vitamin C.

Re:Pesticide link to long-term wild bee decline in 18 year s... by tptacek on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @01:38PM (#12306553)
Once again: I am not discussing bee diets. I brought up canola because (a) it's the crop discussed in the study we're commenting on, and (b) it's the worst-case scenario for bee exposure to neonicotinoids (virtually all canola crops are treated).

In fact: the idea that bee colonies would be stressed by a diet solely of oil rape nectar (note: no commercial bee colonies have such a diet, because they're moved around to take advantage of growing seasons elsewhere) favors my argument: it's another way in which bees working canola crops should do far worse, given neonic exposure, than they actually do.