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Re:Did Our Ancestors Become Bipedal So They Could Throw? by derefr on Sunday August 14, 2016 @04:05PM (#12287092)
Ah, but other apes can already do many of those things (and some of them better, given that they basically have four "hands" instead of two hands and two feet.)

The question is what forced humans into this particular, odd body-shape that no other ape has. Long-distance running (for "endurance" hunting, where you just tire out the thing you're chasing) has been the hypothesis I've heard the longest, but running and throwing works too.

Re:Did Our Ancestors Become Bipedal So They Could Throw? by omginternets on Sunday August 14, 2016 @05:02PM (#12287318)
Fair point, but I was considering the fact that being bipedal allows you to constantly be doing one of those things. Simply being able to carry things around over long distances seems like a bigger advantage than throwing.

Of course this is all speculative, and I suspect that the point of the Nautilus article was to entertain the thought, so in that respect it's a great article.

>Long-distance running (for "endurance" hunting, where you just tire out the thing you're chasing)

I've recently read claims (though I forget where -- primary sources, if memory serves) that directly contradict this point (which I'd also heard). From memory:

- foot structure is ill-adapted to continuous running (stress fractures, I believe)

- knees are also problematic

- some physiology / metabolitic arguments

I must also admit that this hypothesis seems fishy if only because I can't think of many tasty animals that man can actually keep up with...

Re:Did Our Ancestors Become Bipedal So They Could Throw? by derefr on Sunday August 14, 2016 @05:28PM (#12287429)
> I can't think of many tasty animals that man can actually keep up with

"Long-distance" doesn't have to imply "in a straight line", keep in mind. If we can herd prey in arbitrary directions, we can have other members of our tribe stationed where we're herding them, turning the marathon into either a pincer trap or a relay race.

Re:Did Our Ancestors Become Bipedal So They Could Throw? by omginternets on Sunday August 14, 2016 @05:38PM (#12287465)
I don't mean to imply that the theory has no merit -- what you've just cited is, I think, the more convincing part of the argument.

I'll try to dig up the refs tonight, because it makes for interesting reading.

Re:Did Our Ancestors Become Bipedal So They Could Throw? by derefr on Sunday August 14, 2016 @05:55PM (#12287528)
Cool, would love to read through that. I feel like I got a solid understanding of this sort of topic based on the position that was popular a decade or so ago, and then haven't really kept up with the debate since then.
Re:Did Our Ancestors Become Bipedal So They Could Throw? by WalterBright on Sunday August 14, 2016 @04:21PM (#12287170)
Carrying a weapon while running, too. I imagine it would be quite awkward running on all fours while holding on to your spear.

Of course, bipedal might have evolved before spear carrying, rather than being driven by it.

Re:Did Our Ancestors Become Bipedal So They Could Throw? by derefr on Sunday August 14, 2016 @05:34PM (#12287454)
> I imagine it would be quite awkward running on all fours while holding on to your spear.

"On all fours" isn't quite what our common primate ancestors do on the ground, though. Picture a gorilla: the "hands" are knuckled. I imagine it'd work alright to hold a small tool (e.g. a stone dagger) in them, though not anything as long as a spear.