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Re:IBM's reputation at risk in wake of census bungle by semi-extrinsic on Friday August 12, 2016 @04:13PM (#12278453)
> I could build it in an hour for free

The big problem is that it's not beneficial for IBM/Oracle/Accenture/$consultancy to quickly deliver a stable solution that works well. They make much more money by having seven layers of middle management committees vote together a crappy solution that will need five years of support/upgrades and then a replacement.

In other industries, like construction, the same fundamental problem exists, but there human lives are at stake, standards bodies have been formed to prevent it, and non-software engineers aren't outsorced to people in India who have as little knowledge as they have pride in their workmanship.

If a contractor built apartment buildings the way IBM and friends build software, they'd be sued out of existence. I mean, have you ever heard of a building project going 3x over budget and then not actually delivering a building at all? It happens relatively often with software consultancies, usually on projects so trivial (like public transport ticketing systems) that it's hard to not attribute it to malice.

Re:IBM's reputation at risk in wake of census bungle by jeffbush on Friday August 12, 2016 @06:49PM (#12279332)
"I mean, have you ever heard of a building project going 3x over budget and then not actually delivering a building at all?"

Construction projects go over budget and are late all the time. Remember the big dig? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Dig

The Sydney Opera house was 10 years late and 1475% over budget: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Opera_House#Completion_...

Anyone who's had renovations done to their house can also probably sympathize.

Re:IBM's reputation at risk in wake of census bungle by erichocean on Friday August 12, 2016 @10:12PM (#12279910)
Government construction projects, at least in the US, "go over budget and are late all the time".

Private construction? Not so much, certainly nothing like 3x the estimated cost.

Re:IBM's reputation at risk in wake of census bungle by r00fus on Saturday August 13, 2016 @01:03AM (#12280352)
Who performs the work on government projects? Private companies.
Re:IBM's reputation at risk in wake of census bungle by semi-extrinsic on Saturday August 13, 2016 @01:53PM (#12282336)
Yes, construction projects can frequently be late and over budget, but they always end up with an actual building when they're done.
Re:IBM's reputation at risk in wake of census bungle by jeffbush on Saturday August 13, 2016 @03:05PM (#12282640)
I'm trying to be charitable in my interpretation, but "always" is a strong word:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_Rakyat

http://gizmodo.com/the-sad-fate-of-the-worlds-six-tallest-un...

But rather than split hairs: I interpreted the underlying assertion being that construction is more predictable and reliable than software. I've heard this in other contexts as well. And that didn't pass the gut check for me, because I can think anecdotally of many construction projects (and home renovations) that were way over budget and took longer than expected.

Re:IBM's reputation at risk in wake of census bungle by eumoria on Friday August 12, 2016 @04:41PM (#12278652)
> usually on projects so trivial (like public transport ticketing systems) that it's hard to not attribute it to malice

Also something to consider in a circumstance like public transport stuff is that the multiple approval levels and meddling happens on the Government side as well. Like a perfect storm of bureaucratic bullshit that ends up making an enormous bloated mess that does everything but what was originally intended.