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Re:The brave new world of robots and lost jobs by TeMPOraL on Friday August 12, 2016 @08:13AM (#12274952)
I think the counterargument here is that if you don't need to move humans to work and back home again every day, and if you don't need to optimize workplace conditions for humans - by providing creature comforts and safety equipment - your unemployed human is using much less resources than a working human, and the robot is also using much less resources than a working human, so the sum of unemployed human + working robot may add up to less than working human alone.

That, and also resources are here to be burned for our comfort. We should, by all means, burn the minimum amount of resources required for said comfort. But still, there are here to be burned. Otherwise, to minimize resource usage, let's all give up on civilization and go back to caves.

Re:The brave new world of robots and lost jobs by halomru on Friday August 12, 2016 @10:26AM (#12275903)
>Otherwise, to minimize resource usage, let's all give up on civilization and go back to caves.

We can't go back, unless we are willing to kill off most of the population. If we give up just one hundred years of technology we have to destroy every forest in an attempt to grow enough food. All seven billion humans giving up on society and going back to a hunter/gathered society would lead to an immediate collapse of most ecosystems.

We are certainly consuming too much to be substainable right now, but at the same time the amazing efficiency improvements that civilization has brought us are the only thing that make it even possible to live on this planet with seven billion other humans.

Re:The brave new world of robots and lost jobs by leereeves on Friday August 12, 2016 @09:26AM (#12275413)
> resources are here to be burned for our comfort.

Shouldn't we also consider comfort in the future?

For that, we must manage resources to avoid exhausting them or destroying ecosystems, because that would create a very uncomfortable future.

Re:The brave new world of robots and lost jobs by TeMPOraL on Friday August 12, 2016 @09:37AM (#12275484)
Of course! I meant exactly that, though I guess I could have stated that more explicitly for clarity.
Re:The brave new world of robots and lost jobs by e40 on Friday August 12, 2016 @08:55AM (#12275187)
We the unemployed are just warehoused at home? In that case, they consume less resources from lack of commuting, but they still eat and do everything else they would have.
Re:The brave new world of robots and lost jobs by TeMPOraL on Friday August 12, 2016 @09:14AM (#12275319)
Having to maintain human-comfortable conditions at workplaces consumes a lot of resources.
Re:The brave new world of robots and lost jobs by unprepare on Friday August 12, 2016 @09:10AM (#12275282)
>That, and also resources are here to be burned for our comfort.

what an incredible argument to make.

Re:The brave new world of robots and lost jobs by TeMPOraL on Friday August 12, 2016 @09:15AM (#12275322)
Why exactly? It's what we do, since we first tamed fire.
Re:The brave new world of robots and lost jobs by unprepare on Friday August 12, 2016 @09:19AM (#12275357)
you are suggesting the purpose for resources existing at all are purely for human consumption.

essentially you're peddling the argument of "god put oil on earth for us to burn, if we dont burn it, its a waste!"

Re:The brave new world of robots and lost jobs by TeMPOraL on Friday August 12, 2016 @09:44AM (#12275528)
Well, if not used by us, then they just are. They have no other purpose but the one we assign to them. It's like with that whole "save the planet" thing. The planet doesn't need saving. The planet doesn't care. It's we who care about having a habitable and pleasant environment.

I probably didn't make it clear enough, but what I'm suggesting is to use available resources to create better world for us and every future generation. The argument is more like "god put oil on earth for us to bootstrap a sustainable technological civilization with it".

Re:The brave new world of robots and lost jobs by aninhumer on Friday August 12, 2016 @09:44AM (#12275531)
"Purpose" is a human construct, so yes, in as far as oil can have purpose, it is for us to burn. And if burning oil would result in a net increase in utility, then not doing so is indeed a waste.