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Re:FCC loses court battle to let cities build their own broa... by clavalle on Thursday August 11, 2016 @10:23AM (#12268434)
What justification do the states give for forbidding municipal broadband?
Re:FCC loses court battle to let cities build their own broa... by doppelganger27 on Thursday August 11, 2016 @10:53AM (#12268672)
I'm not a lawyer, but as I understand it, the states' justifications aren't important to this appeal. The decision that "the FCC is not able to, essentially, remove state laws that prevent the construction of municipal broadband networks" (from the article) doesn't say anything about the legality of the state laws, just that the FCC doesn't have the authority to change them.
Re:FCC loses court battle to let cities build their own broa... by clavalle on Thursday August 11, 2016 @11:05AM (#12268777)
Fair enough. I wasn't suggesting it was relevant to the decision.

Just, considering the democratic ideal of the government serving the people, I struggle to come up with a plausible justification that the states might give for denying municipalities and I'm hoping someone more familiar with the matter here at HN can shed some light.

Re:FCC loses court battle to let cities build their own broa... by crymer11 on Thursday August 11, 2016 @11:10AM (#12268830)
I live in Chattanooga, home of EPB, which was one of the municipally owned ISPs that was hoping this case went the other way. The common argument we hear for the laws that restrict EPB from expanding is that it's "anti-competitive," since they aren't a private business.
Re:FCC loses court battle to let cities build their own broa... by clavalle on Thursday August 11, 2016 @11:24AM (#12268970)
How much competition was in Chattanooga before EPB?
Re:FCC loses court battle to let cities build their own broa... by crymer11 on Thursday August 11, 2016 @11:36AM (#12269084)
Before EPB, it was basically just Comcast. So none.
Re:FCC loses court battle to let cities build their own broa... by drauh on Thursday August 11, 2016 @12:49PM (#12269776)
Yeah, I hear this all the time: "municipal broadband services would be anticompetitive", while ignoring the fact that there is a de facto monopoly in place and municipal broadband would actually introduce competition.

I noticed that line of argument seemed more common when I lived in the south (NC).

Re:FCC loses court battle to let cities build their own broa... by joshuaheard on Thursday August 11, 2016 @01:31PM (#12270141)
From a policy prospective, a government service provider will stifle competition. Since the government can lose money and use taxes to survive, while a private company must be efficient enough to show a profit, the government service provider is less efficient. And, since government can operate below cost (using tax subsidies) , private companies are priced out of the market, lowering competition.

In terms of politics, cable providers have lobbied to carve out a legal monopoly for themselves, and so, in effect we see the same effect from the private company.

The answer, in my opinion, is to have the municipalities run empty conduit to every home, and allow any private company to lay their cable there. This would allow more competition for electricity, cable, and potentially other utilities.

Re:FCC loses court battle to let cities build their own broa... by tzs on Thursday August 11, 2016 @02:47PM (#12270690)
Neither the stifling competition nor the cable desired monopoly reasons apply in the Tennessee situation, though. The areas that Chattanooga's municipal broadband provider wishes to expand into are neighboring areas in which there is no existing broadband to compete with, and the cable companies have declined to expand into those areas.
Re:FCC loses court battle to let cities build their own broa... by tetrep on Thursday August 11, 2016 @11:02AM (#12268753)
It doesn't need to give one. Just like how they can arbitrarily declare things like "You can't sell alcohol on Sunday"[0], unless they're violating a federal law/the Constitution, states can do almost anything they want.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_laws_in_the_United_States

Re:FCC loses court battle to let cities build their own broa... by clavalle on Thursday August 11, 2016 @11:08AM (#12268816)
Right. Maybe that's a bad example because that does represent the will of the churchgoing populous, though.

I can come up with a plausible explanation for that since it does seem to serve the will of a lot of people who also happen to be people that vote heavily -- especially considering the time period the law was made.

For banning municipal broadband, though? I can't think of any way that serves any significant bloc of people in the state.

Re:FCC loses court battle to let cities build their own broa... by joekrie on Thursday August 11, 2016 @03:44PM (#12271078)
Probably similar justification as for veggie libel laws and gun owners privacy laws.