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Re:More encryption means less privacy by emilecantin on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @01:08PM (#12256062)
I don't think e2e crypto circumvents any warrant, in fact it makes it very similar to a warrant for a physical thing at your house.

An analogy:

Gmail is like having a safe at your bank, if the police want something in it, they get a warrant to search your safe. E2E Crypto is like having a safe at home, if they want something in it, they get a warrant to search your house.

So I wouldn't say it circumvents any warrants, it just changes who is served said warrant.

Re:More encryption means less privacy by sliverstorm on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @01:32PM (#12256259)
Except, the safe in your house can be cracked on a judge's order. Your encrypted machine, on the other hand, does not listen to judges.

Ergo, the FBI-unlocking-dead-guy's-iPhone thing, and the key-disclosure thing.

Re:More encryption means less privacy by hx87 on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @01:41PM (#12256322)
> Your encrypted machine, on the other hand, does not listen to judges.

My machine doesn't, but I do, unless I am willing to face the consequences of being in contempt of court.

Re:More encryption means less privacy by michael_fine on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @02:55PM (#12256934)
Which many members of conspiracies would be more than willing to do, hindering the investigation of organized crime, and (genuine) terrorist cells.
Re:More encryption means less privacy by omginternets on Wednesday August 10, 2016 @09:12AM (#12261380)
That's why we have laws to punish them.

If your argument is that they're willing to face the consequences in order to perpetrate their greater crime, then (respectfully) you've missed two crucial points:

1. US legal tradition wholeheartedly rejects the goal of absolute security. Better to suffer a few terrorist attacks than live in a surveillance state (yes, yes ... I know... not the point...)

2. Deterrence, in general, doesn't work against self-sacrificing adversaries. Even if crypto were outlawed, terrorists would still use end-to-end crypto, and refuse to comply with a court order to decrypt.

Re:More encryption means less privacy by rocqua on Wednesday August 10, 2016 @03:55PM (#12264386)
Being held in contempt is a very light sentence. Moreover, when a defendant refuses to comply, consequences can only be coercive, not punitive. That means that, e.g. imprisonment is limited, because if 1 year in prison isn't going to coerce you, neither will 10 years.

The great issue here is the total unbreakability of crypto when compared to e.g. a safe. Before this, all we had was human memory which is very limited.

Re:More encryption means less privacy by voxic11 on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @04:30PM (#12257490)
Good for them.