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Re:I Don’t Care How Well You Code, Understand Your Compensation by ryandrake on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @09:44AM (#12254407)
Additionally, no teacher I have ever known has had the summer off. Summer is when they do catch-up work, lesson planning, etc., the technical debt payback of the teaching world.

(source: three parents/step-parents were school teachers)

Re:I Don’t Care How Well You Code, Understand Your Compensation by coryrc on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @12:16PM (#12255640)
In all careers, some people are martyrs unnecessarily. Yes, there's a bit of prep work needed right before the next school year depending on what classes they have for the following year, but except that last week, the time's free if they want it to be.
Re:I Don’t Care How Well You Code, Understand Your Compensation by majewsky on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @10:18AM (#12254624)
Or if you're in Germany, many teachers are running on temporary contracts that always last for the school year, so they will be receiving unemployment benefits during the summer break, and (hopefully!) get a new contract for the next school year.

It's a great way to shuffle cost from one government budget (education) to another one (unemployment benefits), and also a convenient way to get rid of annoying parts of the staff.

Re:I Don’t Care How Well You Code, Understand Your Compensation by knd775 on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @12:42PM (#12255851)
Teachers in my mother's district in Virginia also work on a contractual basis. However, they renew their contracts at the end of the school year even though they aren't actually working and getting paid over the summer. As a result, they are technically employed and ineligible for unemployment.
Re:I Don’t Care How Well You Code, Understand Your Compensation by LanceH on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @09:54AM (#12254470)
To be fair, no teacher I've ever known as received only 10 day vacation and 10 holidays.

They have over 20 days of holidays built in during the school year and a legitimate two months off between years.

Re:I Don’t Care How Well You Code, Understand Your Compensation by fencepost on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @10:07AM (#12254551)
No, they have 2 months between school years in which they are not at the front of a classroom. For a lot of teachers that's time used for continuing education, for prep for the upcoming school year, etc. - or for a summer job.
Re:I Don’t Care How Well You Code, Understand Your Compensation by nilkn on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @10:21AM (#12254642)
(I'm the one who made the original reply about teachers.)

My comment was based on observations of my SO, who is a high school biology teacher. She legitimately does not have to work at all for the great majority of the summer if she doesn't want to. I understand this may vary a lot by school district and location, and of course even if you don't have to work over the summer there are still benefits to doing so.

Re:I Don’t Care How Well You Code, Understand Your Compensation by sokoloff on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @10:10AM (#12254577)
Both my parents were teachers. While there was some summer work, in no way was it nearly as intense as the school year.

The mere fact that many do take summer jobs is proof of that, IMO.

Re:I Don’t Care How Well You Code, Understand Your Compensation by Xylakant on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @10:19AM (#12254630)
> The mere fact that many do take summer jobs is proof of that, IMO.

Or it's a proof that they need the money.

Re:I Don’t Care How Well You Code, Understand Your Compensation by nommm-nommm on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @10:43AM (#12254792)
If I had two months off a year I'd take a summer job at Starbucks or whatever as well yet I don't need the money by any means whatsoever even if I took a prorated pay cut. Hell, I don't need to work at all because my spouse's income is more than enough to live off of very comfortably, but I do. The amount of time I work isn't an indication of the amount of money I need.
Re:I Don’t Care How Well You Code, Understand Your Compensation by Xylakant on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @10:58AM (#12254929)
The argument in the parent posts is that teachers actually don't have two month off. They just have two month where they don't have to do client (that is pupil) - facing work to do.

Teachers actually need to cram a lot in that time. All the preparation for next year, all self-education they need to do to stay up-to-date, select reading and learning materials. Planning the curriculum etc. The equivalent to all that work that freelancers factor into their daily rate and all the work that employees often do on the job ("I'll need to read the documentation so I know how to properly do that", "I'll google it", ...).

The fact that they still take on summer jobs on top of that can serve as an indicator that they actually don't have too much to do in that time or it can serve as an indicator that they need the money more than their time off.

Re:I Don’t Care How Well You Code, Understand Your Compensation by nilkn on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @10:35AM (#12254734)
It's only proof that they desire more money or can find a use for more money. "Need" is an overloaded term. I know developers with six figure salaries who feel like they "need" more money and occasionally do contract work on the side as a result.
Re:I Don’t Care How Well You Code, Understand Your Compensation by Xylakant on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @10:59AM (#12254951)
By that argument nobody needs any money. Why pay rent when you can have https://primitivetechnology.wordpress.com/. Why pay for groceries when https://primitivetechnology.wordpress.com/2016/05/20/sweet-p... feeds you just as well? We just "desire it"
Re:I Don’t Care How Well You Code, Understand Your Compensation by guelo on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @11:50AM (#12255405)
Alternatively, I have 3 teacher friends coming back from month long vacations right now.