Re:Let's Encrypt root certificate trusted by Mozilla
by kentonv on Friday August 05, 2016 @03:26PM
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It's even finer-grained than that. Each session gets a hostname -- if you open the same document twice, it's at a different hostname each time. This also implies that different users get different hostnames, so you can't discover the host another user sees even if you have access to the same document.
Re:Let's Encrypt root certificate trusted by Mozilla
by collinmanderson on Sunday August 07, 2016 @09:00AM
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Isn't that insecure because hostnames are sent in the clear? (both in TLS handshake and DNS lookup?)
Re:Let's Encrypt root certificate trusted by Mozilla
by icebraining on Sunday August 07, 2016 @01:51PM
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The hostnames aren't authentication, just another layer of defense, mostly against JavaScript attacks (e.g. from hacked applications): https://docs.sandstorm.io/en/latest/administering/wildcard/#...
Re:Let's Encrypt root certificate trusted by Mozilla
by kentonv on Sunday August 07, 2016 @03:24PM
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Right, this is about mitigating the damage when apps have a bug -- risk management. Instead of being exploitable from anywhere on the internet, the bug becomes exploitable only by attackers who have a passive network MITM, which, while possible, is a very high barrier.
Re:Let's Encrypt root certificate trusted by Mozilla
by tracker1 on Friday August 05, 2016 @06:31PM
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For such applications, there are plenty of relatively inexpensive paid options for wildcard certs. I don't think this is something Let's Encrypt should solve. I'd rather see them invest more time into supporting dynamic dns provider domains better, which imho is a much larger issue for small/hobby/free projects.
Re:Let's Encrypt root certificate trusted by Mozilla
by patates on Saturday August 06, 2016 @02:13AM
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I'm ready to pay a reasonable amount for a wildcard cert to use with some hobby projects. Is there a trustworthy cheap wildcard cert provider which is not Comodo?
Re:Let's Encrypt root certificate trusted by Mozilla
by gnyman on Saturday August 06, 2016 @10:21AM
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Have you checked StartSSL? They've worked fine for me.
Re:Let's Encrypt root certificate trusted by Mozilla
by icebraining on Saturday August 06, 2016 @03:28AM
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What's the problem with dynamic dns provider domains?
Re:Let's Encrypt root certificate trusted by Mozilla
by tracker1 on Monday August 08, 2016 @01:12AM
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I mean domains on no-ip, freedns, dyndns and the like.. that are subdomains are more likely to hit the default limits with Let's Encrypt... I'd like to see some auto-whitelisting for some of the more popular ones.
Re:Let's Encrypt root certificate trusted by Mozilla
by x1798DE on Friday August 05, 2016 @09:29PM
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I thought sandstorm was a self-hosted thing. Why do the certs need to be signed by a public CA at all? A self-signed certificate is fine (and in some ways better than a public CA) when you can verify the source yourself because you generated it.
Re:Let's Encrypt root certificate trusted by Mozilla
by kentonv on Friday August 05, 2016 @09:40PM
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Sure, you can use a self-signed cert, if you don't mind going through the process of installing the cert into every browser that you'll use to access the server.
But Sandstorm is designed for sharing and collaboration. For example, you might write a document in Etherpad which you want other people to comment on. It may be tough to get the right certificate into all your friends' and family's browsers.
(Note that Sandstorm actually provides free wildcard certificates if you are OK with using a subdomain of sandcats.io.)
Sandstorm is a platform for personal computing; each person runs their own applications, much like in a PC. Also, applications don't get hostnames; each document (or equivalent) in the application gets its own hostname.