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Re:Tips from the Pragmatic Programmer (2000) by dllthomas on Monday August 01, 2016 @10:58PM (#12207586)
> the real value of a good IDE is in its refactoring tools

Is there much reason these really need to be integrated?

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Re:Tips from the Pragmatic Programmer (2000) by tdestan on Monday August 01, 2016 @11:27PM (#12207678)
In principle, I don't see why they should have to be. Given an extensible editor and sufficient blood and sweat, you ought to be able to build anything. But in practice, the best refactoring tools I've used have been bundled into IDEs (Jetbrains products, mostly).

I'd be interested in an existence proof here: Is anyone aware of refactoring tools that are not bundled with an IDE, yet still compare favorably with something like Resharper?

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Re:Tips from the Pragmatic Programmer (2000) by dllthomas on Tuesday August 02, 2016 @02:45AM (#12208195)
> Given an extensible editor and sufficient blood and sweat, you ought to be able to build anything.

Yeah, personally I prefer to do my integration in the shell, and then have thin hooks into my editor where applicable.

> Is anyone aware of refactoring tools that are not bundled with an IDE, yet still compare favorably with something like Resharper?

I'd also be very interested in this. I do most of my refactoring semi-manually (leaning heavily on my editor and compiler).

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