Haskel programmers: you can spot them by that constant pained look, as if they have to step in horse poop whenever they go outside.

Your comment is almost accurate when referring to Haskell programmers who have not used the language for very long.

Why did you feel the need to deride someone for simply expressing their opinion? Do you think it helps the discussion?

I meant no disrespect. The horse poop outside was a metaphor for side effects.

During my brief exploration of Haskell, I went to great lengths to avoid dealing with side effects, and when I couldn't avoid them, the pure functional solutions were pretty painful to learn.

> I meant no disrespect.

I don't believe you.

Wow. Must be a culture clash or something. Let's both just have a nice day, then.

I'll agree that clojure doesn't enforce control of side-effects. But with the recent work on clojure.spec, your first complaint has become (even more of) an asset.