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Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by rahimnathwani on Monday August 01, 2016 @01:43AM (#12200410)
"The major Chinese cities generally have very developed and efficient systems of mass public transit, reducing demand for rideshares (and cars in general)"

This depends on your frame of reference. If you're comparing with SF, sure. If you're comparing with London or New York, less so. In London, the underground is faster than private car for many (most?) daytime journeys. In Beijing and Shanghai, a private car is almost always faster. Subway stations are spaced too far apart, and the walking involved in changing lines is pretty long. Buses are slower than cars even at times when bus lanes are active.

"While China is a large country, not everyone can afford an automobile or a rideshare service."

The people who don't have cars are precisely the people who use rideshare services.

Compared with the West, in China, ridesharing fares are lower, and the cost of owning+operating a car is higher. I ride Uber 10-15 times per week. The total cost of those rides is 20%-30% of what it would cost to lease and operate my own car, even if parking were free (which it's not).

Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by theseadroid on Monday August 01, 2016 @02:10AM (#12200488)
Lived in Beijing for 2 decades. I think in Beijing and Shanghai, a private car is almost always slower than their subway systems. Beijing subway network has 18 lines, 334 stations and 554 km (344 mi) of track in operation and is the second longest subway system in the world after the Shanghai Metro (588 kilometres). Beijing subway also has extensive expansion plans call for 1,050 km (650 mi) of track by 2020.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Subway

Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by seanmcdirmid on Monday August 01, 2016 @03:51AM (#12200794)
I've lived in Beijing for the last 9 years. I beat the subway in a taxi on my commute from work to home except during peak rush hour. I work and live on 4th ring, it is a straight shot on line 10 without a transfer (ideal subway shot, routes are identical). Couple that with the subway never having seats, being ultra crowded (say hello to your neighbor's BO), and often having long lines to even get in the station via BS security, I've completely given up on the subway unless the traffic is really really bad. I also hate the subway so much that I've shifted my schedule so that a taxi always makes sense (goto work around 6AM, come home before 4PM).

Now Shanghai is completely different, but Beijing is still way behind.

Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by rahimnathwani on Monday August 01, 2016 @07:03AM (#12201462)
"lines to even get in the station via BS security"

Yup, at Wudaokou this adds >5 minutes at rush hour.

"Now Shanghai is completely different"

I used to think that, until I started a lot of time in Shanghai. Surprisingly, getting from Hongqiao airport to somewhere in Pudong can be faster by car, even the whole subway journey is on line 2. The difference is not as stark as in Beijing, but it still exists.

"I've shifted my schedule"

Yup. It makes so much sense.

Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by shimon_e on Monday August 01, 2016 @08:52AM (#12201938)
The last trains on line 2 are really fast as they skip most stops. Also really noisy as the trains are going well above their usual speed.
Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by seanmcdirmid on Monday August 01, 2016 @07:25AM (#12201556)
Wudaokou is even an extra transfer on line 13. If you can afford it, taxi will save so much time and frustration. Beijing subway is just not well designed or operated compared to taxi and ride sharing services once you reach a certain income level around $2K/month.
Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by idra on Monday August 01, 2016 @09:32AM (#12202210)
So true. "Every time I go in the subway, I die a little bit inside" - a friend of mine used to say this when we lived in Beijing.

Can't remember if I've even been to the Shanghai subway, but the feeling inside in Guangzhou and Shenzhen are like Beijing, but even more foul-smelling. Traffic is also really really bad though, so at least on the subway you know it's going to take an hour instead of the "30 minutes or 3 hours?" estimate you get by car.

Now Hong Kong is completely different... for now.

Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by jacquesm on Monday August 01, 2016 @06:11AM (#12201249)
What is a 'BO'?
Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by seanmcdirmid on Monday August 01, 2016 @06:31AM (#12201318)
Body odor.
Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by hx87 on Monday August 01, 2016 @12:00PM (#12203444)
Ugh, this was the part I hated most about commuting on the MBTA in Boston. It's not too bad in the winter (cold) or summer (AC is on all the time), but the shoulder seasons, when humidity is high but temperatures are moderate so the AC isn't on, were brutal.
Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by seanmcdirmid on Monday August 01, 2016 @08:45PM (#12207159)
Ya, it often isn't very comfortable. Even our office has this problem, they can never see the bigger picture that humidity is just as bad as temperature for getting work done.
Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by rahimnathwani on Monday August 01, 2016 @03:17AM (#12200688)
A private car driving from one subway station to another subway station _on the same line_ will generally be slower than a train. But most journeys require a change of lines, and most journeys require walking at either end.

But aside from that, perhaps we're just traveling to/from different places, and hence have a different set of experiences. Here are some specific examples of journeys that are almost always faster for me by car than by public transport.

- Dongzhimen area (5 mins walk from the station) to Financial Street (10 mins walk from Fuchengmen station)

- Jiaodaokou to Tuspark in Wudaokou

- Jiaodaokou to Xi'erqi

- Anywhere to Sanlitun (except on Fri/Sat night)

Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by barry-cotter on Monday August 01, 2016 @05:01AM (#12201003)
You're comparing the metro and the traffic in Shanghai to that in Beijing. They're not comparable. Beijing is far, far worse on both. A scooter is probably faster for most purposes than either but the metro in Shanghai is amazing, better than Seoul. Beijing is a horrorshow.
Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by jjgod on Monday August 01, 2016 @02:47AM (#12200593)
Agreed. In Beijing/Shanghai I've always preferred subway to Taxi or ridesharing services, except when it's terribly bad weather and I have to talk over 1km or so, or when I carry tons of luggages.
Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by shimon_e on Monday August 01, 2016 @08:53AM (#12201945)
Uber/Didi are a nonbrainer in second tier cities and below.
Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by johnloeber on Monday August 01, 2016 @02:06AM (#12200481)
Regarding the second point: sorry, I wasn't being clear. I think that the pricing probably goes like this:

owning/operating a car > using a rideshare > using a personal scooter > using a personal bicycle.

You have to keep in mind that bicycles, scooters, and other small vehicles unsuitable for ridesharing are very popular in China. Since few people own and operate cars, rideshares don't have a large market to undercut.

Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by rahimnathwani on Monday August 01, 2016 @03:25AM (#12200715)
My primary reason to get an electric scooter wasn't cost: it was availability. Hailing a taxi is often almost impossible, but a scooter is always ready when you are.

But ridesharing means I almost never have to worry about availability, and now my scooter is gathering dust.

Re:Uber to Sell China Business to Rival Didi After Losing Bi... by chj on Monday August 01, 2016 @03:56AM (#12200803)
In some cities

... > using a personal bicycle > public bicycle