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Re:Turkish academics: Remain silent or risk all by rglullis on Friday July 29, 2016 @11:04AM (#12187279)
Much more than simple majority vote, Democracy as we'd like to understand in the western world is about (1) Checks and Balances and (2) respect for individuals and minorities who are not in the ruling side. So it is not about Democracy vs Dictatorship, but Democracy vs Authoritarianism.

> would we call Le Penne a dictator as well?

What would you call Chavez or Maduro? If not dictators (after all, "There is already too much democracy in Venezuela" according to their supporters), certainly they are the leaders of an authoritarian kleptocracy.

> Democracy means what the majority votes win.

No. Voting is just the end stage of a much longer process, backed by the credibility of the Institutions to which the people put faith in.

> Isn't the current situation in Turkey just another case of shock doctrine?

No. This is you trying to fit your worldview into the events.

Re:Turkish academics: Remain silent or risk all by cm3 on Friday July 29, 2016 @11:12AM (#12187333)
> Checks and Balances

Yeah, and the special thing about Turkey is (was?) that the military is one of the balancing forces because they were not controlled by the government as they are in many alternative democracies. This is partly historical due to past military coups. It's hard for me to say whether it's good or bad, given that the military independence has led to very negative outcomes like the 1980 coup, but it can also provide a force to keep a crazy parliament in check.

> What would you call Chavez or Maduro?

Can't comment because I don't know enough, sorry. Will look into them.

> This is you trying to fit your worldview into the events.

Maybe you're right, all I'm saying is that it looks like they are in the process of passing controversial policies while the electorate is under shock.

Re:Turkish academics: Remain silent or risk all by kiba on Friday July 29, 2016 @11:52AM (#12187631)
We called those type of government 'liberal democracy'.

Democracy says nothing about check and balance, or respect for minorities.

Re:Turkish academics: Remain silent or risk all by rglullis on Friday July 29, 2016 @12:11PM (#12187801)
I don't mean "respect for minorities" in the sense of policies for disenfranchised groups. I meant in the pure numerical sense, i.e, "people who voted for the other guy don't get to lose their rights".

But I think we are just using different names for the same beast. "Liberal Democracies" are "Democracies as we'd like to understand them in the western world".