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Re:Harvard Study: Biggest Factor in Divorce Is Husband's Emp... by toyg on Thursday July 28, 2016 @07:56PM (#12184115)
> Men haven't had that liberation

Liberation from what? The "burden to provide" comes with a lot of benefits, and I know I wouldn't trade them all for "liberated" homesteading.

In many ways, what you call "the true form of feminism" for men is just a long way down, a fall from grace, in the same way as Enlightenment was for aristocrats. It's not surprising that most turkeys refuse to vote for Christmas.

Re:Harvard Study: Biggest Factor in Divorce Is Husband's Emp... by T2_t2 on Thursday July 28, 2016 @08:09PM (#12184198)
I think the idea is "Liberation from set expectations", i.e. the MUST in "must be a in a provider". At least, that WAS the idea at some point, not sure it has stood the test of time, and modern rhetoric seems to have gone to a bizarre place.

The idea is that we should be free of societal expectations, and free to choose our own path, is liberation I can get behind. It is the part of the modern, western world I embrace and am happy for, that I am free to chose my own path. Neither I nor anyone else should be judged against a sense of universal criteria, because my happy life might be someone else's living hell, and the multitude of lifestyles possible is something I like.

Sometimes, I think all sides get this wrong. Feminism that doesn't value stay at home mothers who freely make that choice from personal preference is just enforcing a different norm, not a freedom from norms. Ditto the reverse and a view women should only be SAHM, or that men should be providers, or strong, or whatever.

I have no idea if any of that is possible at scale and, quite frankly, I don't care. I am going to live my life how I see fit, grant everyone else the same privilege, and let ideologues argue amongst themselves about what people should do.

Re:Harvard Study: Biggest Factor in Divorce Is Husband's Emp... by tomp on Friday July 29, 2016 @02:34AM (#12185315)
I'm the opposite, I'd rather stay at home with family than build a career, given the choice.

But feminism never cared for that. They only tried to make women more like men, implying that men are better, a position I cannot agree with.