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Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by DarkTree on Thursday July 28, 2016 @04:34PM (#12182948)
Just 5 years ago, as a freshman in college, I was alternating between Amazon and eBay to find the cheapest price for textbooks. This was the first time I ordered anything off of Amazon, and it was their bread and butter; a book. Fast-forward to present day and I order almost everything off of Amazon, even if I can get it at a store nearby. Why? Because products reviews have grown to be essential in my psychology for buying, and it's very easy to wait just two days for the product to arrive at your doorstep. And I haven't used eBay in years.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by freyir on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:21PM (#12183275)
Online reviews were a revelation for me, but they're increasingly being gamed on Amazon (fake reviews, people getting free products in exchange for positive reviews, etc.). I've bought some really mediocre products lately that had amazing reviews.

I've also noticed the quality control has gone down the tubes, with 3rd party sellers shipping counterfeit goods. Amazon doesn't seem to be interested in regulating this.

If there was a company with Amazon's shipping speed but without all the shady 3rd party sellers, I don't think I'd use Amazon again.

Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by criley2 on Thursday July 28, 2016 @06:15PM (#12183603)
You can use a tool like http://fakespot.com/ to try and get a different view of the Amazon reviews.

But I often also find myself searching a community like reddit for product suggestions through google. query: "product name" reddit, and I may add in tags like BIFL (buy it for life) or frugal to try and trigger different results, so I can see what people who are less likely to be shilling have to say.

For example, while fan searching today, I learned more from https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyItForLife/comments/3ad5rl/bifl_r... than I ever could have from Amazon reviews, and it even made me realize I already have a fan that circulates, I'm just using it wrong.

Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by stormbuilder on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:53PM (#12183486)
Generally speaking I only read 3 star reviews.

5 star and 1 star reviews are usually garbage - either fluffed fake reviews, or reviews outraged about something unrelated with the quality of the product itself.

Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by BashiBazouk on Thursday July 28, 2016 @06:57PM (#12183815)
I find 1 star reviews quite useful. If all the reviews are shipping complaints, the lemon rate of the product is probably low.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by newscracker on Friday July 29, 2016 @02:14AM (#12185275)
There's a lot of gaming on those low star ratings by competitors. The trustability of reviews on Amazon has sunk so low over the years that for many products, reading many (tens or several tens of) reviews across star ratings is what may help have some idea about the product's quality and the seller.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by yompers888 on Friday July 29, 2016 @06:14AM (#12185857)
The problem with this is the expectation of a 5 star review for adequate performance. A lot of reviewers view 3 stars as "I didn't like it, but at least customer service didn't screw me and it didn't burn my house." I'm aware that this is terrible because it leaves no room for superior delivery, but it's just the way of things.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by antisthenes on Thursday July 28, 2016 @06:17PM (#12183612)
> I've bought some really mediocre products lately that had amazing reviews.

And that's where their amazing (by the standards of other etailers) return policy comes into play.

Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by ricg on Friday July 29, 2016 @06:48AM (#12185949)
> 3rd party sellers shipping counterfeit goods. Amazon doesn't seem to be interested in regulating this.

Same here. I stopped buying commodity electronics items (cables, power supplies, headphones, etc.) on Amazon, because of all the fake products that claim to be 100% original.

Even the Amazon basics brand does not live up to its standards. I recently bought an Amazon basics USB/Lightning cable, "Apple certified". The lightning plug was so lose, it fell right out of the iPhone.

Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by nommm-nommm on Friday July 29, 2016 @07:17AM (#12186068)
It's not just electronics, Amazon is full of fake everything and because they allow commingling of inventory a fake can be sold and shipped by Amazon.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by lsaferite on Friday July 29, 2016 @11:11AM (#12187327)
This was an eye-opener when I first heard about it. I cannot fathom the thought process that allowed them to do this. It's such a black mark on the brand. FWIW I order a LOT from Amazon.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by hourislate on Thursday July 28, 2016 @06:22PM (#12183646)
There is always YouTube for reviews. It's a good place to check if the Amazon reviews seem sketchy. I understand not everything will be on YouTube but you would be surprised at the amount of items that are there.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by superuser2 on Thursday July 28, 2016 @09:17PM (#12184478)
In my experience YouTubers who review things are running little lifestyle businesses, getting free products (or possibly kickbacks) in exchange for positive PR.

I would consider a YouTube channel that primarily reviews things less trustworthy than a rando on the internet, not more.

Even if the YouTuber is totally trustworthy, "professional" reviewers are only going to give short term impressions, how its features and cost stack up in the market, etc. which I can research for myself. What I want to know about is long term experience, failure modes, etc.

Pretty much only Consumer Reports is in that business, and only for big ticket items like cars.

Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by FT_intern on Thursday July 28, 2016 @06:45PM (#12183760)
The point of Amazon reviews is to quickly evaluate an item. Watching a youtube review is a much larger time commitment
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by XJOKOLAT on Thursday July 28, 2016 @07:52PM (#12184089)
I wonder. I'd argue that watching an unboxing gives me a much quicker idea of what's really going on than trying to tease out what's the truth from the reviews. ("20 positive reviews. How many are fakes? Let me read the 3 stars, maybe they're better. I'll read the 1 stars and try to assign weight).

Maybe I'm just picky but I find reading/judging Amazon reviews a pain in the ass.

Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by nibnib on Friday July 29, 2016 @08:53AM (#12186479)
I don't think I can tell much of anything from an unboxing video. I have no idea why they are so popular.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by myth_drannon on Thursday July 28, 2016 @09:00PM (#12184411)
If you leave a bad review some sellers offer a refund if you delete the bad review and you can keep the product. That's how you get good product reviews for bad products.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by flamedoge on Friday July 29, 2016 @04:33AM (#12185609)
Tackling quality control and superfluous/irrelevant/out-dated reviews are hard problems to tackle. That last if is a big if.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by mcpherrinm on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:40PM (#12183388)
Jet.com?
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by freyir on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:47PM (#12183436)
I'll take another look at them now that they've dropped the membership fee.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by jameslk on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:04PM (#12183159)
Incidentally, I'm working on a project to spin off the reviews piece of Amazon and making it first class, with an emphasis on community and trustability. I feel like this is a very important part of the ecommerce ecosystem and I'm not really sure why it hasn't been done already (very well anyway, see Epinions).
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by JustSomeNobody on Thursday July 28, 2016 @06:11PM (#12183581)
I'd like to see something "social", where you "follow" other reviewers (who reviewed something you bought and you trust their review) and build up a reviewer network and then factor in some sort of "trust" percentage (how much you trust the reivewer).
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by blawson on Thursday July 28, 2016 @09:53PM (#12184577)
Trusting reviewers gets really complicated quickly, as someone I trust to evaluate what makes a good blender might really hate that genre of books I enjoy.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by JustSomeNobody on Friday July 29, 2016 @07:20AM (#12186079)
Indeed. It would be a slow process, but over time, as you buy items, you select reviewers to follow who share your likes for the various items.

And it being a "social" thing, there's nothing stopping you from reaching out and having a conversation with reviewers.

Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by nommm-nommm on Friday July 29, 2016 @07:16AM (#12186054)
Having a system with trusted reviewers is even easier to game as well.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by JustSomeNobody on Friday July 29, 2016 @07:23AM (#12186088)
No doubt. I mean trust is an aspect of any con, right?

Still, I would at least like to see something like what I mentioned tried.

Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by jameslk on Thursday July 28, 2016 @06:22PM (#12183645)
That's an interesting idea, almost in a meritocracy kind of sense, or in other words, reviewing the reviewer. Perhaps previous trust "points" can be used a weighted boost, kind of like PageRank, but for reviewers.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by JustSomeNobody on Friday July 29, 2016 @07:30AM (#12186117)
Yes. But for the reviewers _you_ follow, _you_ rank them based on how much you trust their reviews. Your trust rank is factored into the reviewers who are followed by the reviewers you follow, so as you go down the line the trust gets lower and lower.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by Shebanator on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:12PM (#12183211)
its not easy to do well. fraud, spam, hate speech, etc.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by nommm-nommm on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:24PM (#12183298)
I would go as far as to say it's impossible to do well.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by jameslk on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:48PM (#12183439)
All communities have to tackle these problems in various forms, although I believe it is possible to fix in a way good enough to be more valuable than without it.

I have some ideas on ways to tackle the fraud problem, such as with a trust-based ranking system, rewarding balanced feedback, purchase verification, looking for heuristics of fake reviews, and avoiding potential conflicts of interest.

It's not the primary concern of Amazon to make sure their reviews are authentic, where as it would be with a service dedicated to that very concern. In fact, positive reviews help drive more sales, so there's an inherent conflict of interest that I feel justifies the need to separate reviews from the place selling the things being reviewed.

Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by SonicSoul on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:23PM (#12183295)
easier to do when not anonymous?
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by jpeg_hero on Thursday July 28, 2016 @11:58PM (#12184932)
Bazaarvoice?
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by choward on Thursday July 28, 2016 @04:42PM (#12182995)
I read the reviews for anything I buy. The average rating is pretty much useless though.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by artursapek on Thursday July 28, 2016 @04:58PM (#12183107)
Agreed. The critical ones are the useful ones.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by BHSPitMonkey on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:28PM (#12183318)
I do the same, but as time goes by I'm inherently less and less trustful of all of it. The incentive to manipulate ratings and reviews is just too great for sellers to ignore, and it's not as though Amazon can reliably measure review honesty.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by pduan on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:50PM (#12183460)
Use fakespot.com and use filtered by "Verified Purchase".
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by brianwawok on Thursday July 28, 2016 @07:14PM (#12183895)
What does verified purchase matter when so many sellers pay people to review? Yes they really bought it, but for pennies on the dollar.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by rogerdpack on Thursday July 28, 2016 @08:54PM (#12184394)
Yeah I've started going for products that only have "hundreds" of reviews, and over several years, those are usually hard to game :)
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by brianwawok on Friday July 29, 2016 @08:49AM (#12186453)
You are just upping the stake. Some people DO pay for hundreds of reviews. It just cost more to do.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by CodeCube on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:14PM (#12183227)
I always find it more interesting to look at the distribution of ratings that they have. It's usually overwhelmingly good, overwhelmingly bad, or polarising, with lots of good and lots of bad.

That to me is a pretty good quick-window into the level of quality of the product.

Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by estrabd on Thursday July 28, 2016 @04:40PM (#12182984)
I find that eBay's bread and butter is really small fry to small fry - or at best, dealers in collectibles to collectors.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by selimthegrim on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:02PM (#12183133)
Clothing and shoes still are a better experience for me on eBay than amazon although Amazon is catching up.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by enobrev on Thursday July 28, 2016 @04:48PM (#12183028)
Similarly, I've switched almost completely from selling an occasional book or used item on eBay to Amazon because I can generally get a better price when I sell things on Amazon, and it's much easier to list things in that the description and reviews are already available for most of the things I have to sell.

When I changed cities a few years ago, I decided to sell the majority of my books so as not to have to ship them, and I made enough from those sales to cover about a quarter of my shipping fees for the rest of my stuff.

Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by hoffcoder on Thursday July 28, 2016 @11:37PM (#12184886)
You can see when a company has built a stellar product when they can sustain return customers even without discounts and payback offers. See Amazon's rivals, in India atleast, Flipkart and snapdeal are biting the dust, and Amazon doesn't even give any special offers to the customer. They have perfected the thing they must do well to succeed in their business: fast delivery and returns. Amazon is the flagship bearer in e-commerce and is doing a good job advancing state of the art in this segment of human endeavour.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by mod on Thursday July 28, 2016 @04:46PM (#12183013)
Absolutely! I find myself looking at items in-store to get an idea of what's available, then going home and comparing reviews & prices on amazon where there is more variety.

This is particularly true with what I've been buying lately--tools. The local home depot will just deal in a couple of brands for most tools, while amazon is virtually guaranteed to have dozens in all variety of size, power, options, price, and quality.

The price is usually better, as well, and then I don't have to load it into my vehicle, either. Poor UPS guy, though.

Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by ryandrake on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:17PM (#12183240)
I find eBay a better source for tools, but both it and Amazon are head-and-shoulders better than Lowes and Home Depot if you don't need that tool right this minute. And if you do need it today and it can be used, Craigslist.
Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by mod on Thursday July 28, 2016 @11:09PM (#12184835)
In my area (poor, very rural), craigslist is too slow for that.

I've been searching for a drill press for months, and I actually just hit one today. Assuming it's not sold out from under me by tomorrow, I'll have a new one in the evening.

The last one I saw was sold within two hours of listing, and that was over a month ago.

Re:Amazon Posts Another Blockbuster Profit by nbakshi on Thursday July 28, 2016 @04:55PM (#12183082)
I do that too, and with the Amazon App you can even scan the barcode of the product you are looking in the market to compare prices and look at reviews right there. Don't even have to go home for that.