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Re:Company town by hueving on Thursday July 28, 2016 @01:59AM (#12178619)
>meddling in the "free market"?

And what exactly kept the families from just packing up and leaving? It would seem that it must have offered a better value proposition that anything else if people chose to stay there. Unless they were slaves, your whole point is moot.

Re:Company town by MereInterest on Thursday July 28, 2016 @02:16AM (#12178657)
Sure, you can leave. You just need to settle your debt at the store before you do. We did give you that advance after all. And don't forget the rent that you're paying us, and how you're a few months behind. Maybe next year would be better. Save up, get out of debt, then leave town. Never mind the fact that we control both your income and your expenses, and will make sure that never happens.
Re:Company town by hueving on Thursday July 28, 2016 @09:11PM (#12184457)
If you're in debt you declare bankruptcy. This isn't 1500s in England.
Re:Company town by true_religion on Thursday July 28, 2016 @11:27PM (#12184873)
I'm not sure of the specifics, but in the US personal bankruptcy didn't exist in its present form until 1978.

It's very likely, that it was incredibly difficult to file for bankruptcy in the era of company towns in the US---i.e. 1880 (first bankruptcy bill was filed in 1889) through 1934.

Re:Company town by true_religion on Thursday July 28, 2016 @02:13AM (#12178651)
Ah, in a perfectly 'free' market, there is still the possibility of inadequate and asymmetrical held information. In this case, people will not make the best decisions because they simply do not have the information to do so.

For example, someone in a company town may not know that moving to the city will most definitely result in a better job, and out of fear of this ignorance, they continue to stay in a poor situation until it reaches a point where emotionally (rather than rationally), it becomes intolerable.

To me, the one of the purposes of good governance is to ensure that information is spread widely, and citizens are well educated in order to understand and take advantage of it.

Edit:

To add to it... recruiting children, laying debt upon them, and ensuring they only know about 1 kind of job is exactly the kind of asymmetric information that we make laws to prevent the formation of.

Re:Company town by FussyZeus on Thursday July 28, 2016 @08:28AM (#12179754)
Forgetting all the points already made, when you're going to make this argument for any given group of people who should "just" move (which by the way, how is it every single iteration of this argument involves the word "just"? As if throwing all your crap in a moving van and hitting the highway is just a thing you do some weekend when bored?) why don't you consider doing that yourself for five minutes? You'd almost certainly need a new job (though that's probably why you're moving), you'd never see any of your friends regularly again, you may be moving away from close family which could be good or bad depending, strong probability of losing a significant other, you'd almost certainly need a new bank or at least to change the addresses on all of your accounts, then you'd have to handle mail, any trusted experts in your area such as mechanics, repairmen, etc. you'd need to find new ones which is a hell of a thing to do in a strange town, and on and on and on.

Plus there's always the chance that wherever you're moving TO is just a case of grass being greener across the fence and won't actually help anyway.

THAT is why the word "just" does not belong in that argument at all.

Re:Company town by sitharus on Thursday July 28, 2016 @05:11AM (#12179182)
You underestimate the power these employers had over their employees.

The company owned everything. The only way out without paying for company run transport, which you won't get without settling your debt, is to walk. Walkers are easily rounded up by debt collectors, and if you had a wife and children you wouldn't leave them.

These towns were set up to create a supply of indentured labour.

Re:Company town by thasmin on Thursday July 28, 2016 @02:13AM (#12178649)
They couldn't leave because they had no money to pay for anything outside the company town.
Re:Company town by EGreg on Thursday July 28, 2016 @10:35AM (#12180449)
More generally the problem with "free markets" and why they are never really free is switching costs:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switching_barriers

It is also why everyone is locked into sites like facebook (network effects) or cities like NYC even if they say they want to leave

GREAT SCENE: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LWZk24MA7TE

Re:Company town by dTal on Thursday July 28, 2016 @02:13AM (#12178650)
For a detailed explanation of how company towns led to debt slavery and what factors prevented people from just packing up and leaving, see the above comment.
Re:Company town by zepto on Thursday July 28, 2016 @02:12AM (#12178647)
Eh? Packing up and leaving with what money? Paying their debt with what?
Re:Company town by hueving on Thursday July 28, 2016 @09:14PM (#12184466)
It costs very little leave comparatively. They don't need to pay the debt. If they have nothing, they just declare bankruptcy.

If the ridiculous scenario the GP suggested actually worked, we would see, you know, examples of it.

Re:Company town by ubernostrum on Monday August 01, 2016 @07:28AM (#12201572)
If the ridiculous scenario the GP suggested actually worked, we would see, you know, examples of it.

You mean like all the documented examples people posted? (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12178695 for an example)

Company towns enforcing debt slavery are an actual, genuine, true, real, factual part of US history. They existed. They really did work as described. People really did not manage to escape them. In several places it took literal armed revolution to break this system.

So if your theory of economics somehow predicts that such things are impossible, the problem is with your theory of economics.

Re:Company town by botfly on Thursday July 28, 2016 @12:48PM (#12181400)
Why don't they just eat cake?