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Re:UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end ... by blowski on Monday July 25, 2016 @04:04PM (#12161208)
I agree with you wholeheartedly. The risk of saying "we shouldn't do this because it won't work" is that it only has to work a little bit for the argument against it to fail. And it will certainly work a little bit at reducing one type of terrorism, just not enough to outweigh all the other negative effects.

That said, I would also like to see more discussion of alternatives instead of just saying "it'll never work".

Re:UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end ... by nitrogen on Monday July 25, 2016 @05:58PM (#12161928)
The alternatives I want to see discussed all involve cultural changes. Sometimes when I try to discuss these with people they get fixated on shifting 100% of blame onto the attackers and 0% onto culture/society/foreign policy/poverty/whatever, but assigning blame is a completely pointless activity and the question needs to be what will actually work, not what will feel good to our primitive instincts for vengeance.

Some hypothetical approaches for discussion:

- Convincing violent groups to be less violent; demonstrating that they can get more of what they want by participating in society than by attacking it (a multi-generational issue)

- Finding a place for the "lone wolf" types to feel like their needs and concerns are addressed, including mental health

- Getting first-world powers to stop purposely destabilizing other countries

- Accepting what remains of the problem as if it's a natural disaster (e.g. just as people accept or ignore the 1000x worse problem of traffic deaths)

Re:UK surveillance bill includes powers to limit end-to-end ... by leesalminen on Monday July 25, 2016 @08:02PM (#12162446)
- Convincing violent groups to be less violent; demonstrating that they can get more of what they want by participating in society than by attacking it (a multi-generational issue)

I do think that this is going to be the correct path for us as a society, long term. There are a lot of obstacles though; convincing people their theological beliefs have been manipulated, fixing the havoc created around the world from globalization, and the profits gained by some (powerful) people.

- Finding a place for the "lone wolf" types to feel like their needs and concerns are addressed, including mental health

Mental health availability in the US needs to improve immediately.

- Getting first-world powers to stop purposely destabilizing other countries

Ha ;)