It's almost as if some people are skeptical!

It's almost as if he's delivered on everything he promised while running the two most difficult companies in America simultaneously!

"We'll never have reusable rockets, what a joke..."

> It's almost as if he's delivered on everything he promised

hasn't Tesla repeatedly missed price points and delivery dates.

Or are those not promises.

I actually think most of what he is talking about is pretty doable. The ones I'm skeptical of are his talk about the massive factory improvements (in a few years too?) and the magic buses with no aisles or entrances.

By what measure are Tesla and SpaceX the "two most difficult companies in America"

I'm actually curious about the bus, too. Sounds weird. But I trust his judgement, I'm sure it'll be great. He has a track record, you know.

Regarding missed promises, if you're saying that as if to suggest that what he's promised isn't nonetheless coming true at a pace faster than anyone else could have possibly delivered, I think you're wearing blinders.

Regarding "most difficult".......are you aware of other companies working on something as technologically and logistically and legally challenging as SpaceX and Tesla????

>Regarding missed promises, if you're saying that as if to suggest that what he's promised isn't nonetheless coming true

So you're saying that, if I promise you I'll give you a thousand dollars in a week but then I give it to you in two years, I haven't broken a promise?

I'm saying if you promise me you'll get to Mars in a week, and do it in 10 years instead, I'll still consider you a pretty astonishing person.

Google's doing a lot better on the whole self driving front.

At least in terms of fatalities per mile.

Google has a handful of their engineers driving around in weird-looking minicars.

Tesla has thousands of regular consumers driving all over the world in sleek sedans.

Let's see which bet pays off better in five years' time.

The weird minicars are not what they've been road testing. The ones they've been road testing for ML look like regular cars.

And they have yet to hit a pedestrian or decapitate a driver with a semi. Be real; Tesla's is basically a smarter cruise control. It can't actually deal with complicated scenarios.

By measure of "Hard" technology... Uber is just software.

Electric Cars and Reusable rockets are engineering marvels, not nifty software. That's difficult.

I'm still waiting for him to deliver on his original promises. Like creating a profitable electric car company.

I give him credit for SpaceX, but Tesla's main product so far has been hopes and dreams.

Have you driven a Tesla?

Their product is very good.

Have you driven other cars at a similar price point? The tesla is trash in comparison.

Some people will always be petty. It says more about them than the object of their critique. You can cure cancer and someone will complain it took you long enough.

Natural counter to the people who worship at the feet of their god king musk.

We should always be thoughtful and critical of ideas regardless from whom they are coming, but autonomously landed first stage rocket boosters returning from orbit is a _big_ fucking deal. There may be some blind worship, but we are not talking about a charlatan here.