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Re:Japan Will Make Its Last VCR This Month by bsder on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @05:07PM (#12132520)
> Full disclosure, I don't really buy the vinyl arguments either. My personal suspicion is that vinyl has historically been thought to be better not because of vinyl advantages but because vinyl mixes weren't participating in the loudness war. I'll buy that a non-war'ed vinyl might sound better than a war'ed CD, but I'd rather have a non-war'ed CD.

Heh. Everybody forgets that the Loudness War goes all the way back to even the Beatles. It's not new.

However, most people who "prefer" vinyl do so because it sounds "warm". They like the sonic imprint that the needle, preamp, amplifier (which has to be tube, dontcha know), and speakers put on the sound.

In reality, it's personal preference with a dose of whatever you were raised on in adolescence. It's like guitar preference--you may like the sound a Fender Stratocaster makes when we all know that a Rickenbacker 360 is objectively superior while staying in tune better. (Yes, I'm being sarcastic :) )

But, yes, calling vinyl "better" is quite silly. Especially since it degrades with every playing.

Re:Japan Will Make Its Last VCR This Month by k-mcgrady on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @05:42PM (#12132761)
>> "Heh. Everybody forgets that the Loudness War goes all the way back to even the Beatles. It's not new."

Loudness was something to strive for then sure but it wasn't crushing the dynamics out of music the way we've been doing since the 90's. Digital made that possible so older vinyl records will have much greater dynamic range.

Personally my preference for vinyl is packaging. I like large art, liner notes, and lyrics. I also like that it encourages me to make listening my main activity instead of using music as background noise. In these areas vinyl is superior but I don't think any medium is overall better than another. They're useful for different things. I subscribe to two streaming services and have headphones on most of the day. Without digital streaming I'd spend half the day flipping records and going crazy.

Re:Japan Will Make Its Last VCR This Month by semi-extrinsic on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @05:43PM (#12132764)
IIRC, the "no vinyl loudness war" argument is based on the fact that vinyl loudness is limited since it causes a higher probability of needle skipping. This is also the reason for why vinyls are recorded with the bass de-emphasised, needing a corresponding vinyl RIAA preamp.
Re:Japan Will Make Its Last VCR This Month by probably_wrong on Thursday July 21, 2016 @03:40AM (#12135356)
> But, yes, calling vinyl "better" is quite silly. Especially since it degrades with every playing.

For what is worth, this is what I heard a vinyl fan say about this: "Since the needle changes the disk, every time you play a vinyl you are effectively listening to it for the first time. DVDs can't do that"

Re:Japan Will Make Its Last VCR This Month by sotojuan on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @05:26PM (#12132653)
My favorite part is people buying vinyl nowadays that come from digital masters (same as the CD/MP3 versions)—with none of the warmth of analog.
Re:Japan Will Make Its Last VCR This Month by ZenoArrow on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @05:40PM (#12132742)
The 'warmth' of vinyl isn't just due to the mastering (though this certainly plays a part), it's also meant to be because of the physical limitations of the vinyl itself. IIRC the grooves made for low frequencies are easier to create than the grooves for high frequencies.
Re:Japan Will Make Its Last VCR This Month by k-mcgrady on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @05:43PM (#12132769)
Intersting so it's essentially EQ'd differently post pressing? Did they not take this into account when creating the master by cutting low frequencies or boosting highs?
Re:Japan Will Make Its Last VCR This Month by eon1 on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @09:23PM (#12133901)
Yes, they did. An inherent tradeoff between mids and bass has to be made to prevent the needle skipping, too. A great example is if you go listen to roots or dub reggae, like Barrington Levy - mids are sucked in to accommodate the huge bass, and the treble is pushed up to compensate for the resultant lack of clarity/character.

Needle skipping is also the original reason for mid/side (or in old terms, lateral/vertical) style processing - in a stereo record groove, anything mono is equal on both sides, hence in the 'mid(dle)' of the mix. Anything panned is more prominent on one side than another. Compressing the mid and side differently allows you to maximise the stereo-ness of the record without as much effect on the overall mix, and without throwing the needle off to the side. When multi-channel recordings first came out, they originally mixed different instruments to different channels instead of trying to create a cohesive single image. It was basically between headphones and the quest for loudness that engineers found that you can get 'more' out of the record with a (now-traditional) centre-focused mix.

Re:Japan Will Make Its Last VCR This Month by ubercow13 on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @05:50PM (#12132805)
Yes, then it's undone by your record player https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization
Re:Japan Will Make Its Last VCR This Month by ZenoArrow on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @05:58PM (#12132837)
Reading up a little further it appears vinyl had issues with both high and low frequencies, but the bass frequencies tended to be boosted by the amp. The weaknesses on the high and low frequencies seems to tie in with the RIAA equalisation information.