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Re:Homo sapiens by ekianjo on Monday July 18, 2016 @01:55AM (#12113424)
> currently no major threat to humans

Id say global nuclear war is a very real and very tangible threat to humans and many other species around.

Re:Homo sapiens by zamalek on Monday July 18, 2016 @04:33AM (#12113859)
> many other species around.

Which in a strange way makes that that statement correct: that threat is not unique to humans. Many earth species share the Anthropocene, meteorites etc. as extinction threats. That being said, it would be nice if the website had a list of universal extinction threats - mostly to send a message.

Re:Homo sapiens by jdimov10 on Monday July 18, 2016 @05:47AM (#12114081)
To send what message?

You can keep your alarmist apocalypse messages to yourself, the world doesn't need more of those.

How about a message that everything is just peachy, for a change?

Re:Homo sapiens by TheSpiceIsLife on Monday July 18, 2016 @07:25AM (#12114415)
I believe Steven Pinker has something to say about this, let me see if I can find it. Ah yes, here it is:

Also distorting our sense of danger is our moral psychology. No one has ever recruited activists to a cause by announcing that things are getting better, and bearers of good news are often advised to keep their mouths shut lest they lull people into complacency. Also, a large swath of our intellectual culture is loath to admit that there could be anything good about civilization, modernity, and Western society.

It seems he was right in this instances as well, as evidenced by the down votes being applied to your comment.

Actually, everything, at least in my local area, is pretty good. There's no food shortage, we have medicine and vaccines, I voted recently and, at the polling booths, there was no one with guns telling me where to mark the ballot paper. The employment rate is pretty good. I feel safe and secure in my home and on the street.

What is it with everyone trying to scare the crap out me everywhere I turn.

Sure, things could be better, but I don't recall the last time the marauding hoards of barbarians came through and took all the women and children and burned all the crops, so can we all just relax for a moment? We might get along better that way.

We're a pretty persistent pest, we've even learned to write things like "Deliberate concentration and inhalation of contents of can may prove harmful or fatal" on the back of cans of fly spray - that's pretty impressive for a species who posses The Bomb.

We'll make it through these troubling times, just like we've made it through the past, what? 40,000 years?

Just chill the <expletive deleted> out.

Re:Homo sapiens by njharman on Monday July 18, 2016 @11:31AM (#12115635)
This is true. But only to a very localized, i.e. self-centered, and very short-sided both ahead and behind person.

I remember the marauding hordes, genocide has occurred in your lifetime. Just not to you.

To be taken seriously any thought of our species has to consider the whole world and several hundred years of history and future.

Re:Homo sapiens by jdimov10 on Monday July 18, 2016 @09:00AM (#12114774)
This ought to be obvious, yet you're the only person on HN (or anywhere) who has ever agreed with me on this stuff. Where can I send you money?
Re:Homo sapiens by TheSpiceIsLife on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @01:54AM (#12120034)
Free* money? Sure I'll take it. Contact details in profile.

*Conditions apply, nothing is free

Re:Homo sapiens by jdimov10 on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @06:35AM (#12127990)
Thanks. PayPal-ed you.

And "nothing is free" is a stupid belief. Lots of things are free. Pretty much everything that matters IS free.

Re:Homo sapiens by TheSpiceIsLife on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @01:27PM (#12130806)
Well that's putting your money where you mouth is. Thanks mate!
Re:Homo sapiens by nkrisc on Monday July 18, 2016 @01:36PM (#12116656)
> I don't recall the last time the marauding hoards of barbarians came through and took all the women and children and burned all the crops

This happened very recently to the Yazidi people, but maybe it didn't happen to you. The only difference is they killed all the men too.

Re:Homo sapiens by nkrisc on Monday July 18, 2016 @09:42AM (#12114966)
Not everyone is as lucky as you.
Re:Homo sapiens by jdimov10 on Monday July 18, 2016 @10:20AM (#12115160)
Well WHY aren't you??
Re:Homo sapiens by zamalek on Monday July 18, 2016 @05:59AM (#12114115)
Realist: there are problems.

Optimist: everything is peachy.

Pragmatist: let's fix these problems.

There's a big difference between solving problems (which means communicating about them) and getting upset with problems. Changing the world for the better is inspiring, not depressing. Whether you get upset with the message is a choice that you have made.

Re:Homo sapiens by majewsky on Monday July 18, 2016 @07:09AM (#12114352)
Optimist: We will be able to fix these problems.

FTFY

"Everything is peachy" is just wishful thinking.

Re:Homo sapiens by jdimov10 on Monday July 18, 2016 @08:53AM (#12114744)
It's not wishful thinking, it's the ONLY right way of thinking.

Everything IS peachy. Fixing problems is the opposite of what life is about. It's fine as a hobby, albeit a rather dull one (I can think of a thousand other things I'd rather be doing, but hey, whatever rings your bells).

Re:Homo sapiens by zamalek on Monday July 18, 2016 @11:18AM (#12115560)
I don't think any rational argument can be made once you bring in the subjective perspective of how a person chooses to lead their life, but I'll play along in any case.

In purely hypothetical terms imagine that within 30 years climate change becomes severe enough that it unavoidably affects my life. For example sake, let's assume that I live in Dubai and Dubai becomes uninhabitable[1]. This would limit me on a daily basis and I wouldn't be able to do the things that I want to do.

If that's not your concern, that's perfectly fine. It's also perfectly fine that I discuss these problems with other people who care about them. If you don't care about this discussion it's always trivial to ignore it.

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/26/extreme-...

Re:Homo sapiens by jsprogrammer on Monday July 18, 2016 @09:02AM (#12114783)
>How about a message that everything is just peachy, for a change?

That should only happen when things are actually "just peachy". It might be a while before then. Several years at least.

Re:Homo sapiens by blowski on Monday July 18, 2016 @06:16AM (#12114166)
Why are humans so obsessed with 'the end of the world'? In times of yore, we predicted it using religious texts as evidence. Now we use science.

I'm not saying the science is wrong, just that there's a constant thread throughout human history of worrying about it.

Re:Homo sapiens by Cthulhu_ on Monday July 18, 2016 @06:46AM (#12114267)
I don't mind it, as long as it's based on logic and actual possibilities instead of a supernatural event that happens on a dat coming out of books if you look at them in an adequately convoluted manner.

Global nuclear warfare would've happened by now if it wasn't for both the fear of mutually assured destruction and global nuclear conventions, I think. And sheer luck.

And preparing for an extinction-event sized asteroid isn't a bad idea either; the chances of it occurring in our lifetime is small, but the chances of it occurring again is 100%. The chances of people being able to detect it early enough and do something about it are actually pretty high, in part due to the fear of it happening again. Detection could still be better, of course.

Re:Homo sapiens by sevenless on Monday July 18, 2016 @10:41AM (#12115289)
> Global nuclear warfare would've happened by now if it wasn't for both the fear of mutually assured destruction and global nuclear conventions, I think.

More like pure survivor bias on your part!

Re:Homo sapiens by fallingfrog on Monday July 18, 2016 @04:07PM (#12117748)
Well, the big-E End Of the World has never happened, but on local scales the world has ended many times. Just ask the residents of Baghdad in 1258 AD, or the Hispaniola people, or of Gaul when Julius Caesar came through.. other examples suggest themselves. The end of the world is not a remote event, it's a repeating theme in human history.
Re:Homo sapiens by sevenless on Monday July 18, 2016 @10:07AM (#12115082)
The narcissism of consciousness, basically. The end of the entire world is easier to imagine than the fact that you will inevitably die and the world will go on without you. About all theology seems to originate from the inability to accept this fact.
Re:Homo sapiens by johnchristopher on Monday July 18, 2016 @02:12AM (#12113464)
> There are currently no major threats to humans, although some subpopulations may be experiencing localized declines as a result of disease, drought, war, natural disasters, and other factors.
Re:Homo sapiens by cel1ne on Monday July 18, 2016 @03:52AM (#12113724)
I think, due to climate change, in the next 50 years we'll see large subpopulations (millions) experiencing decline and migration by way of disease, war, natural disaster etc.
Re:Homo sapiens by PeterisP on Monday July 18, 2016 @06:34AM (#12114221)
Subpopulations of millions or tens of millions (0.1%-1% of total) are small, not large. From the viewpoint of species preservation, decline in some of them is insignificant; complete extinction of some such subpopulations would reduce diversity but still wouldn't threaten the species as such, only the affected subpopulations - and even then, due to widespread migration the diversity would be preserved in a larger extent than any of the somewhat threatened animal species.

An event that kills all humans in one continent would be horrible but would not present "a threat to humans" in the meaning of species survival/preservation.

An event that kills 90% of people worldwide would be horrible but again, would not present a threat to species survival, the humans were just as dominant in 1700s with less than a billion of us than we are now with 7.4 billion.

Global warming can really hurt hundreds of millions of people, but it doesn't have the potential to be an extinction event, you need far more serious threats for that.

Re:Homo sapiens by johnchristopher on Monday July 18, 2016 @03:28PM (#12117500)
> An event that kills 90% of people worldwide would be horrible but again, would not present a threat to species survival [..]

Speaking of which, wasn't there some kind of massive reduction of the homo sapiens population at two point in time ? I seem to recall a documentary with a few scattered tribes walking in the blizzard. Something like ony 10 000 humans left.

Re:Homo sapiens by icebraining on Monday July 18, 2016 @04:46AM (#12113886)
This is an easy prediction, since it's already true; dozens of millions of people are already displaced by war every year: http://www.unhcr.org/news/latest/2015/6/558193896/worldwide-...
Re:Homo sapiens by njharman on Monday July 18, 2016 @11:38AM (#12115690)
Decline and migration due to climate/more localized environmental change has been going on forEVER. Some manmade, some not. See ice ages, desertification, deforestation.
Re:Homo sapiens by mikeash on Monday July 18, 2016 @11:06AM (#12115464)
Nuclear war poses a major threat to modern technological civilization, but it poses no threat to the species as a whole.
Re:Homo sapiens by ckastner on Monday July 18, 2016 @05:45AM (#12114074)
> Id say global nuclear war is a very real and very tangible threat

My view is that a nuclear exchange is very unlikely, and the likelihood of an exchange of global proportions practically nil.

Which two or more of the 9 known (or suspected) countries with nuclear weapons would participate in this global war?

Re:Homo sapiens by tokai on Monday July 18, 2016 @09:18AM (#12114855)
It does not have to be global to bring the thread of extinction. A local conflict with a few tactical nuclear weapons, say between Pakistan and India, would be an existential thread to humanity.[0]

[0] http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/local-nuclear-war/

Re:Homo sapiens by njharman on Monday July 18, 2016 @11:35AM (#12115659)
I agree but only because we have come very, very, like finger hovering over button, close several times and it did not happen. And those are just the declassified instances we've been allowed to know about.

If USA and USSR at height of paranoia and hatred can't get it together to kill us all, I doubt they ever will.

Re:Homo sapiens by ekianjo on Monday July 18, 2016 @06:43AM (#12114263)
It's not about that. Even a misinterpreted signal of an upcoming attack could be enough to trigger retaliation. It has been documented several times. See "Command and Control".
Re:Homo sapiens by TheSpiceIsLife on Monday July 18, 2016 @07:31AM (#12114439)
I don't believe your comment to be a thorough counter argument to the opinion that the likelihood of an exchange of global proportions practically [is] nil.

The fact remains that even a misinterpreted signal has not lead to the trigger of retaliation.

I'd even go as far to say that nuclear weapons have never been used in an act of aggression in a time of war. The war was already over when the US blew up Hiroshima and Nagasaki, what the US did was just ass-hattery.

But if you find it helps your moral psychology to worry about it, by all means, go right ahead. I'm going to continue to feel more concerned about being involved in a motor vehicle accident, if you don't mind.

Re:Homo sapiens by CapitalistCartr on Monday July 18, 2016 @09:59AM (#12115047)
The war was far from over for the US. My father was in the Second Marine division. They received orders along with wills for everyone to fill out. They were to leave it in their footlocker on top. Expected losses were as much as one million, based on taking previous islands, such as Iwo Jima. Their command told them to not expect to return from this one. After Tarawa, Saipan, Tinian.

The Japanese were closer to collapse than we realized, but if the invasion had started, neither side could have prevented major losses, even if both side's leadership would have preferred to. And we were days away. The war had a momentum of its own.

Re:Homo sapiens by mikeash on Monday July 18, 2016 @11:15AM (#12115529)
Considering that a major factor behind Japan's surrender was the Soviet invasion of Manchuria, which began on the same day as the bombing of Nagasaki, the idea that "the war was already over" seems a bit out of touch.

It's true that a misinterpreted signal has not led to retaliation... so far. We've been quite lucky. If Vasili Arkhipov had been a little more cranky on October 27, he could easily have been convinced to agree to launching a nuclear torpedo at American forces. Similar with Stanislav Petrov in 1983, although it's an open question as to how the leadership would have reacted had he informed them of the supposed attack. In 1995, Russia came within two minutes of deciding to "retaliate" in response to a scientific rocket launched from Norway. A slightly different trajectory or radar reading could easily have made the difference there.

Given the past 71 years, the risk of accidental nuclear war appears to be fairly low. However, we have no real idea if "fairly low" means the risk is 1% per year or 0.000001% per year. Both are consistent with what we've seen, but the former means that nuclear war is extremely likely in the medium term, while the latter means we can probably ignore it.

Re:Homo sapiens by aminok on Monday July 18, 2016 @09:42AM (#12114964)
I don't think nuclear war poses any risk to human continuity. The only threats to human existence that I can see are an asteroid impact and advanced AGI.
Re:Homo sapiens by vacri on Monday July 18, 2016 @02:59AM (#12113568)
That's not particularly specific to humans, though.
Re:Homo sapiens by hacker42 on Monday July 18, 2016 @02:11AM (#12113459)
Also runaway climate change, super bugs, super viruses, grey goo, AI, GRBs, supervolcanoes…
Re:Homo sapiens by LeonM on Monday July 18, 2016 @07:46AM (#12114494)
For those wondering: GRB = Gamma Ray Burst
Re:Homo sapiens by FoeNyx on Monday July 18, 2016 @10:18AM (#12115146)
Alongside climate change, there is also the often forgotten "ocean acidification" part of the problem.