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Re:Why Land and Homes Actually Tend to Be Disappointing Inve... by pm90 on Sunday July 17, 2016 @04:09PM (#12111572)
It fails to amaze me how much the govt. and financial sector are willing to subsidise the housing market. If you leave the morality clause aside, why exactly should the US Government create tax incentives, low interest mortgages and such for housing? It was precisely the morality of enabling Americans to own a house that these benefits are present in the first place, funneling so much financial resources into the housing market rather than other investments.

I do agree with what you say though. With all the incentives that are in place, we shouldn't overgeneralize since housing can be a good investment.

Re:Why Land and Homes Actually Tend to Be Disappointing Inve... by ChuckMcM on Sunday July 17, 2016 @05:01PM (#12111798)
I would suggest, perhaps controversially, that individual home ownership mitigates rent seeking and capital accumulation in large firms. Some percentage of the GDP is always going to be allocated to a housing expense.

Homeowners subsequently hire contractors for maintenance and upkeep which spreads that choice around vs firm ownership which will negotiate a single contract and extract price concessions from their position.

As it is impractical to have land ownership be a public good (centrally owned (or not owned depending on your take on the whole land ownership issue) distributing ownership appears to have the best effect on overall use.

Re:Why Land and Homes Actually Tend to Be Disappointing Inve... by rubiquity on Sunday July 17, 2016 @05:25PM (#12111917)
The problem is that the payment for home ownership is centralized in that your mortgage goes to a select few big banks. A more distributed form of home ownership would be more ideal but likely impossible.
Re:Why Land and Homes Actually Tend to Be Disappointing Inve... by chii on Sunday July 17, 2016 @08:21PM (#12112574)
The same problem exists with business loans.

It's the lack of banking competition, not mortgage.

Re:Why Land and Homes Actually Tend to Be Disappointing Inve... by refurb on Sunday July 17, 2016 @04:14PM (#12111599)
What I find silly is, is the gov't really subsidizing housing in the end?

Offer a tax deduction on mortgage interest and people can afford a higher price so competition drives prices up and everyone ends up in the same place. Same with lower interest rates, etc.

One could argue there is a period where housing is easier to purchase once a new subsidy is created, but shortly after that, the market reaches equilibrium and we're back in the same place.

Just imagine if there were no housing subsidies. Housing prices would be mich lower. And yes, I know that's a gross oversimplification, but I think the effect is still there.

Re:Why Land and Homes Actually Tend to Be Disappointing Inve... by gumby on Sunday July 17, 2016 @05:19PM (#12111884)
> What I find silly is, is the gov't really subsidizing housing in the end? > Offer a tax deduction on mortgage interest and people can afford a higher price so competition drives prices up and everyone ends up in the same place.

Exactly: it's a tax subsidy to sales agents (and others whose income depends on the transaction price). Homeowners don't get anything out of it except that their house has a larger $ on their list of assets. It doesn't help them buy a better house (since everyone in the same income bracket can afford the same house).

It's pitched as a middle class benefit though, so simplifying the system would be greeted with howls of dismay.

It does screw those of us who pay cash for our houses BTW.

Re:Why Land and Homes Actually Tend to Be Disappointing Inve... by niftich on Sunday July 17, 2016 @04:18PM (#12111615)
It's all about morality though. It's populist practice, and most people don't care about the long-term economic consequences. They want to be able to buy a house and start a family on an average income.

Furthermore, land is one of the few intrinsic assets of a sovereign state. With their intervention, they can enable diversified, private ownership of land, rather than a widely-recognized concentration of the state's land in a few hands.

Re:Why Land and Homes Actually Tend to Be Disappointing Inve... by api on Sunday July 17, 2016 @06:35PM (#12112214)
One thing I suspect is that home construction, maintenance, and real estate sales and services are all a fantastic employment program. The suburbs were basically a postwar work program.