Re:George Orwell would have voted to leave the European Union
by tormeh on Saturday July 16, 2016 @08:24AM
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>the President of the Commission is still nominated by the European Council
Yes, technically correct. What happened last time however was that the EP said "We want Juncker and we'll veto anyone else". There was a long staring contest and the EP eventually won. A veto isn't a technicality that you can approximate away - it's just as important as being able to propose laws.
The national leaders generally didn't like this, because they prefer the EU being more like a (huge, weird) deal negotiation table than something with direct representation. The national leaders are ultimately in charge, so this whole episode is mostly an unforeseen consequence of past treaties that they're willing to tolerate.
Re:George Orwell would have voted to leave the European Union
by gggggg11111 on Saturday July 16, 2016 @10:02AM
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UK with its house of Lords, no constitution, monarch as head of state, and members of parliament who somehow seem to come from same schools/universities is not exactly the best example of Democracy
But hey look at EU over there
Re:George Orwell would have voted to leave the European Union
by rayiner on Saturday July 16, 2016 @12:20PM
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The U.K. Has a constitution, just not a single written document. It's the oldest extant constitutional government: even at the time of the Magna Carta 800 years ago the English were following constitutional principles.
Your "Moreover, countries can leave at any time, as the UK has just done." sounds a bit odd in the context of this argument. "It's silly for countries to leave the EU on the grounds that it's not democratic, when it's obviously democratic because countries can leave the EU".