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Re:Tesla confirms “Autopilot” crash in Montana by prof_hobart on Wednesday July 13, 2016 @07:37AM (#12085368)
It's certainly a major fault of Tesla's - if you know it's not safe, you've got no excuse to keep going.

But the driver shouldn't be allowed to escape blame either. When your car is repeatedly telling you that you need to take control, then you should be taking control.

Re:Tesla confirms “Autopilot” crash in Montana by luca_ing on Wednesday July 13, 2016 @09:44AM (#12086054)
I've worked on highly safety related (classification ASIL D) automotive systems. There are rules about how to think about the driver.

The driver is not considered a reliable component of such a system, and must not be used to guide decisions.

Yes, the driver clearly was a fool, but system design should not have taken his decision into account, and come to its own conclusion for a safe reaction (e.g., stopping the car).

Re:Tesla confirms “Autopilot” crash in Montana by prof_hobart on Wednesday July 13, 2016 @04:21PM (#12089358)
I agree with that, and as I say I'm not attempting to defend Tesla in the slightest.

My point was simply that the driver has to take responsibility for their actions in this situation as well.

Re:Tesla confirms “Autopilot” crash in Montana by jessaustin on Wednesday July 13, 2016 @09:32AM (#12085968)
If the robocar were to warn once, and then steadily slow, all drivers would learn to take over when warned.
Re:Tesla confirms “Autopilot” crash in Montana by prof_hobart on Wednesday July 13, 2016 @04:17PM (#12089325)
I don't disagree - like I say, none of my comment was intended to let Tesla off the hook in any way.

My point was simply that the drivers who use semi-automatic cars and choose to ignore warnings to retake control need to be responsible for their actions as well.

Re:Tesla confirms “Autopilot” crash in Montana by cmurf on Wednesday July 13, 2016 @09:36AM (#12085992)
Incapacitated? The software needs to fail more gracefully than this when the driver is a dependency and isn't responding.