UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

Re:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Br... by djlastword on Tuesday July 12, 2016 @11:30AM (#12079831)

I think you're underestimating the psychological aspect of Brexit. We Europeans feel betrayed and abandoned by the Brits. Especially since they always demanded and got special deals on everything EU-related anyway. Their arrogance will finally get to them. Plus we have access to another 27 countries so the loss will not be huge for us. No matter when official negotiations start, trade and other collaboration will start declining immediately. I mean, why would I go on vacation to a place where I'm not welcome? Why would I do business with a country where risks are high and benefit low? From an EU leadership perspective, in order to deter other potential exits the conditions will be harsh. After the exit UK will have to stand in the back of the line for new negotiations, lower priority than e.g. Turkey and Ukraine. Within 10 years or so things might have normalised but in the short term Britain will absolutely suffer because of this.

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Re:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Br... by hardlianotion on Tuesday July 12, 2016 @05:01PM (#12082255)

I think this will happen to some extent, even if just as a result of uncertainty that prevails when nobody knows what the formal situation will be. There is a range of European sentiment, but for sure a lot of disappointment.

All countries in the EU have a keen idea of their self interest at all times, and the UK is no exception. The national interest here has always been wholehearted participation in the single market deepening and expansion and little interest at all in the larger political project, which did not exist when the UK joined the EEC. "Special deals" do not fairly characterise the relationship.

I don't think that EU leaders have an urge to make the UK suffer that is dominant over the desire to have good neighbours and a healthy, stable future. We have all done well out of the relationship and we want to prosper together in the future. Europe needs wholehearted cooperation on the issues that unite us, and that needs good faith and an appreciation of what we still have.

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Re:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Br... by rwmj on Tuesday July 12, 2016 @11:40AM (#12079939)

Please don't view everyone in the UK as one "thing", as if all British people are (in your words) arrogant. 48% of people voted to remain in the EU.

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Re:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Br... by djlastword on Tuesday July 12, 2016 @11:54AM (#12080078)

I was referring more to the leadership than the people. If you're a bremainer I genuinely sympathise with you.

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Re:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Br... by etatoby on Tuesday July 12, 2016 @12:15PM (#12080273)

It's very likely he is a remainer, considering the nature of this forum.

Stats show there was (is?) a clear divide between leave and remain along geographical, age, and class boundaries, which are most certainly correlated with higher education and/or interest in technical subjects.

And yes, we sympathise with you.

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