Re:Facebook Messenger begins testing end-to-end encryption u...
by tptacek on Friday July 08, 2016 @11:32AM
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I can't tell if you're talking about browser crypto (in which case my perspective is shared by a large number of crypto engineers) or Cyph's weird caching scheme, in which case a couple people from Cure53 are the only ones who have ever tried to evaluate it.
Re:Facebook Messenger begins testing end-to-end encryption u...
by buu700 on Friday July 08, 2016 @11:42AM
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I think he was only (or mostly) talking about the latter, which I would agree isn't very complicated at all (it's just deleting and regenerating keys/certs on an interval).
As to the former, are you referring to specific known side channel attacks against asm.js/wasm, or just the usual XSS risk?
Re:Facebook Messenger begins testing end-to-end encryption u...
by tptacek on Friday July 08, 2016 @11:46AM
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One would hope that the founder of the company trying to bring that weird secure caching attempt to market would believe that it wasn't very complicated. :)
Of course, if you've filed for patents on this, as was suggested upthread, that somewhat cuts against that argument, doesn't it?
Re:Facebook Messenger begins testing end-to-end encryption u...
by buu700 on Friday July 08, 2016 @11:57AM
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lol, I'm definitely biased given that I'm long since familiar with the idea and wrote the implementation, but I think it's more conceptually counterintuitive/clever/weird than it is actually complicated in terms of having many moving parts.
WebSign does have a patent pending on it (I think it's fair enough to say that the whole system of accomplishing in-browser code signing this way was non-obvious), but HPKP Suicide itself doesn't. Bryant (eganist) and I are actually disclosing and open sourcing implementations of a few non-code-signing applications of HPKP Suicide at Black Hat and DEF CON next month.
Re:Facebook Messenger begins testing end-to-end encryption u...
by cyphar on Saturday July 09, 2016 @09:36AM
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> WebSign does have a patent pending on it (I think it's fair enough to say that the whole system of accomplishing in-browser code signing this way was non-obvious),
Yay, another technology to boycott entirely.
It's been well vetted enough. It might be a hack, but it's a sufficiently effective hack. We can agree to disagree :)
You coming to either Black Hat or DEF CON? Let me at least connect the two of you after the AppSec Glory talk.