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Re:Oracle and the fall of Java EE by dkersten on Friday July 08, 2016 @09:32AM (#12055326)
...have their beginner-friendly charms, but are limited by the lack of type checking...

Haskell people probably say the exact same thing about Java ;-)

Re:Oracle and the fall of Java EE by preordained on Friday July 08, 2016 @02:47PM (#12057781)
For sure they do. But I've spent my time with Haskell and I've seen really simple things obscured under a cacophony of type noise. It's not uncommon at all to see a piece of simple logic with proportionately 3x the amount of type syntax around it or related to it. Especially when you need to do IO or state, as we sadly need to do here on earth, then it seems like Haskell is trying to put a brick wall of type restrictions between you and a simple routine at every turn. Talking not about doing some printouts, but actually making a long-running application where IO and state is ubiquitous.