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Re:He Was a Hacker for the NSA and He Was Willing to Talk. I... by woodman on Wednesday July 06, 2016 @01:45AM (#12041410)
> ...includes anything humans do as natural which is a completely useless definition of natural.

Useless for your purposes, where you are comparing things of the same kind - you use behavior for that, not nature. Nature is used for comparing things of a different kind, like humans vs sea slugs. Also, nature is not the same word as natural...

> ...always naturally emerge in individual human development like language...

How is that any different from "Advanced mathmatics"? No known humans have had a written language but no numbering system, and speculation about the earliest humans without a written language is just that, speculation.

> Why do I need to differentiate them...

So that you can quantify, classify, compare, understand, intelligently discuss, etc.

> I think you're rephrasing is a strawman...

Eh, it conveyed the exact same meaning - it just more clearly demonstrated the logical flaw.

> ...and now we're beating a dead horse.

Maybe, but I will say that your last post communicated your thoughts on the matter very clearly - I never would have known otherwise that we disagree on about five other fundamental concepts.

Re:He Was a Hacker for the NSA and He Was Willing to Talk. I... by gnaritas on Wednesday July 06, 2016 @04:06PM (#12045510)
> you use behavior for that, not nature.

I'll use whatever I choose to use when I'm making my point. You don't get to define my choice of differentiation.

> Also, nature is not the same word as natural...

That's just absurdly pedantic and a ridiculous point; I defined what I meant, take it or leave it but don't be obtuse.

> How is that any different from "Advanced mathmatics"? No known humans have had a written language but no numbering system, and speculation about the earliest humans without a written language is just that, speculation.

I think I was more than clear, naturally emerge in individual human development; i.e. all humans naturally develop it as part of their normal life-cycle. Language for example, this is vastly different than advanced mathematics which may not ever emerge until certain levels of culture are accomplished. Mathematics are not a natural part of the development of the individual human lifecycle.

> So that you can quantify, classify, compare, understand, intelligently discuss, etc.

Which can all be accomplished without said differentiation, so no, try again.

> Eh, it conveyed the exact same meaning - it just more clearly demonstrated the logical flaw.

No, it didn't.