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Re:Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014) by sametmax on Monday July 04, 2016 @04:31AM (#12029460)
+1. Yes, cultural diversity is good. But we have plenty of ways to have that without needing 1000 languages :

- art;

- food;

- social constructs;

- city organisations;

- and slang if you really want your tongue to be part of it.

We don't need to spend time and energy to save old ways of communication. Let's us it to make communication better now.

What's more, anything that live eventually dies, which is something we need to learn to accept. Now we are already spending a lot of energy to save our bodies, and a bit of it to save other living creatures, and I'm on board with that. But saving languages seems a waste to me. Either the system will procude or derive the next linguistic generation, or it will merge the old ones, but all in all, this is something I'd gladly let natural selection kick in.

At the very least, I wish we would all share a minimum of one language. I'm french, I consider my language much more efficient to describe things than english, but I'll be ok to just say "let's make sure everybody at least speak english" and be done with it.

I travel a lot, and the language barrier has never once been a good thing. Best case scenario you have goofy confusion and laughters, worst case scenario you have hate.

Now we don't need to eradicate the language diversity. But it's nor do we need to save it. It's ok to loose some of our knowledge. Yes, even books, stories, ways of thinking. Things die, that's how the system get balanced.

(Plus when we will create galatical aliances with aliens, we will need a earthling language, so let's start now people !)

Re:Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014) by jugbandjames on Monday July 04, 2016 @05:41AM (#12029665)
It's not always that "natural" of a selection. Many native Americans were basically kidnapped and forced to learn English. Governments in the past have intentionally tried to eradicate languages with the mistaken belief that one language is superior and more communicative and another is barbaric or degenerative. This still happens in the form of dialect prejudice, which is institutionalized in the American public school system. People tend to project their prejudice towards a particular group of people onto their language. This has been proven many times with dialect perception experiments. I think we have an obligation to preserve cultures and languages that have been eradicated due to ignorance and prejudice, and we need to learn from the past and stop trying to enforce linguistic standards in school. If a single homogenous language is necessary, it should emerge naturally.

Having said that, languages do die naturally for socioeconomic reasons too, and I agree that it's unnecessary, and probably harmful to try to force people to use a language that they have no socioeconomic incentive to use.

Re:Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014) by sametmax on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @07:25AM (#12035646)
Being kidnapped and forced to do anything is the problem here. Being rejected for being different is too. The "learning english" part is really not a big issue compared to it. Actually I'm pretty sure people would accept much more easily somebody speaking a dialect next to them if they knew in the end, they have at least one language in common.
Re:Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014) by jackarg on Monday July 04, 2016 @05:36AM (#12029640)
You would willingly give up the french language if asked to and replace it with english? As a french person too, this is inconceivable for me. I don't think cultural identity is really possible without languages. French culture would not be the same french culture if everyone spoke English.
Re:Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014) by sametmax on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @07:21AM (#12035631)
It's not about giving up french, it's about letting it die if one day it's decaying.

Not saving != killing.

Re:Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014) by biswaroop on Monday July 04, 2016 @11:18AM (#12031237)
I think you're confusing monolingualism with everyone having a lingua franca. Your argument sounds like "We should all just have one common language; therefore, we don't need others."

Bilingualism has existed in countries for centuries without either language dying out. I'm all for everyone speaking English. I want people to know as many languages as possible. What I don't want is everyone speaking only English.

It's not ok to lose some of our knowledge. Uniformity is bland, dull, uninteresting, and sad. There's a reason why we think knowing a lot of languages is cool. There's beauty to be found in other cultures and their languages. I don't want to force everyone to learn languages, but it'd be tragic if we lost French and with it Hugo, Voltaire, Verne, Baudelaire, Dumas, Asterix and the rest. It just isn't the same in English.

Re:Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014) by sametmax on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @07:28AM (#12035655)
You are the one introducing "monolingualism". In no way not saving dying languages will lead to it. Even if by some act of god suddenly everybody learned english and forgot their own language in a night, very soon you would see emerge variations, slangs, then dialects. Languages are like living creatures, they evolve.

My point is mereley "we got thousand of languages, it's ok to loose some of it, let's spend more energy on making sure we got at least one lingua franca".