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Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by cheriot on Saturday July 02, 2016 @09:18AM (#12022371)
1. The most direct reason is economic growth. Rich people save more than the middle class who save more than the poor. When wealth shifts to the rich then there's less money spent.

2. Money becomes power. More power in the hands of fewer people is not good for a democracy.

I only speak for myself. I'm curious what the more idealistic among us will say. Keep in mind that income growth is a proxy. What really matters is wealth inequality. We just talk about the one that's easier to measure.

Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by specialist on Saturday July 02, 2016 @11:12AM (#12022824)
"most direct reason is economic growth"

Bingo.

The "economy" is a measure of the velocity of money. Any one advocating economic growth must then logically advocate some form of redistribution. To keep the money moving.

I'm undecided if economic growth is a worthy goal. But until a better idea comes along, us pinko commie hippies have favored the time proven battle tested progressive income redistribution in the form Keynesian economics.

It's no small irony that the result of anti-tax jihadist policies is less economic growth. Whoops.

Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by antisthenes on Saturday July 02, 2016 @10:04AM (#12022575)
Wealth inequality is just income inequality over a long run. Because of the high savings rate, the top percentiles accumulate wealth at a quicker pace than the lower percentiles.
Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by cheriot on Saturday July 02, 2016 @10:14AM (#12022609)
Right, it's the difference between speed and acceleration. Replacing your car's speedometer with an accelerometer would lead to less informed decisions!
Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by 6e0prjs5fv on Saturday July 02, 2016 @02:01PM (#12023283)
I think you have taken one too many derivatives. Income corresponds to the speedometer, and wealth to the odometer (or GPS coordinates).
Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by mortehu on Saturday July 02, 2016 @09:27AM (#12022409)
But rich people often save in the form of investments in companies, which leads to further growth.
Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by cheriot on Saturday July 02, 2016 @10:03AM (#12022568)
Not any more.

1. The market value of money available to invest is its price.

2. The price of money is the interest rate.

3. Interest rates have been extremely low for a very long time.

Conclusion: the value of additional money available to invest is extremely low. That same money in the hands of the working poor will be thrown right back into the economy.

Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by coldtea on Saturday July 02, 2016 @09:36AM (#12022448)
Only if those companies can sell their stuff.

And the majority of customers are not other rich people.

It the middle/working class are getting a smaller share of the pie, then the market shrinks compared to what it could be with a more uniform distribution -- and everybody suffers.

Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by e40 on Saturday July 02, 2016 @10:01AM (#12022555)
Wow, I thought "trickle down" had been exposed for the BS it was, what, 20+ years ago?
Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by ende on Saturday July 02, 2016 @12:39PM (#12023046)
You seem to not understand what 'trickle down' disparagingly refers to. The common contention with supply side economics isn't that savings == investment == growth, rather it is in regards to the implications of marginal tax rates on tax revenues.
Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by TheOtherHobbes on Saturday July 02, 2016 @02:57PM (#12023462)
If taxes are collected effectively, and offshore loopholes are closed aggressively, trickle down stops having any relationship to reality at all.
Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by antisthenes on Saturday July 02, 2016 @10:09AM (#12022590)
Even if your statement were true (that you can pour money into something and magically achieve growth that is beneficial for both parties - I'd really like to see statistics on this or any sort of source really), the stock market is, for the large part, a zero sum game, unless an IPO is made.

Rich people also invest in many other things that do not further sustainable growth and, as we can see from many corporations, many of them actually hoard cash or invest in bonds (which just fuel unsustainable consumption - hardly the growth that seems beneficial long term)

Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by cloverich on Saturday July 02, 2016 @10:49AM (#12022741)
> Even if your statement were true (that you can pour money into something and magically achieve growth that is beneficial for both parties - I'd really like to see statistics on this or any sort of source really)

It feels like your calling the idea of economy in general a zero sum game. Can you elaborate?

Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by mcguire on Saturday July 02, 2016 @10:48AM (#12022738)
"...the stock market is, for the large part, a zero sum game, unless an IPO is made."

An IPO takes some money out of the market, to the pre-IPO investors in the company, but a much bigger impact is made by dividends.

Here's a thought experiment for you: A company, A[1], IPO's. It's investors take some cash, the rest goes into A. A is a fantastic success and eventually grows to be the largest company in the world, market-capitalization-wise. Then, like all things mortal, it begins to slide into obsolescence, obscurity, and eventually bankruptcy and dissolution. Throughout its lifetime, following the best advice of economists[2], it never pays a dividend.

Anyone investing in A's stock is playing a quintessential zero-sum game: they're betting A will go up before it goes down permanently.

[1] No offense to Agilent.

[2] The goofy "double taxation" argument. The "it's no longer a growth company" argument (causing an immediate collapse in A's stock price). Etc.

Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by ricardobeat on Saturday July 02, 2016 @09:33AM (#12022434)
Those investments are usually a very small proportion of their wealth and very much the opposite of savings.
Re:Income inequality today may be higher today than in any o... by crdoconnor on Saturday July 02, 2016 @09:34AM (#12022441)
Not when there's no demand for the results of that investment they don't. They just pile it into existing capital assets instead (ever wondered why SF/NYC property is so expensive?).