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Re:A Scenario Where Brexit Does Not Actually Happen by peteretep on Sunday June 26, 2016 @01:58PM (#11981789)

    > I think you are taking it as
    > self-evident that Leave is a
    > bad idea
Yeah. Me, every economist, the markets, almost all centrist politicians, Obama, people who are highly educated, etc

It's funny to watch Leavers complain that people think they're racist, with all their great arguments about common fisheries, not being able to depot Abu-bin-whoever, and whatever other weird non-issue is flavour of the day, not to mention the supreme irony of a people with an unelected upper chamber claiming they're booting out a directly elected upstream parliament for "democracy".

Re:A Scenario Where Brexit Does Not Actually Happen by IsaacL on Sunday June 26, 2016 @05:50PM (#11982937)
> every economist

Most but not all. Economics is currently split into multiple schools which disagree on philosophical fundamentals, and is hardly an exact science. How many economists predicted the financial crisis? Those that did tend to be small government advocates. (I don't endorse everything he says, but Nassim Taleb is one example, who is also pro-Brexit).

I wish someone had made this point during the campaign, to answer the snipes that Leave was anti-intellectual, anti-expert, and so on.

Re:A Scenario Where Brexit Does Not Actually Happen by ScottBurson on Sunday June 26, 2016 @11:29PM (#11984069)
> Nassim Taleb is [...] also pro-Brexit

He just wants all these puts he's been buying to be worth something [0].

[0] http://www.businessinsider.com/nassim-talebs-universa-invest...

Re:A Scenario Where Brexit Does Not Actually Happen by brownbat on Sunday June 26, 2016 @11:37PM (#11984081)
You can support common markets while still raising an eyebrow at some of Brussel's decisions.

France is trying to prevent Americans from publishing true facts in the states, because misguided Frenchmen might accidentally seek such facts out and read them.[0]

Also, it's not altogether clear that any good long term compromise has been found to balance the needs of the strong economies alongside the more fragile ones.

You staved off Grexit, but retained the powderkeg of local fiscal policy with central responsibility for solvency of members.

Now, if I were in the UK, I probably would have seen these as secondary issues to the value of the common market. But worrying about concentrated power doesn't seem alien to me. And given the UK and EU are both in the WTO and so culturally related, it's not like I'd fear both sides will instantly revert to quotas, 1000% tariffs, and random visa denials.

Ok, ok, academic leavery aside, the mainstream leave does seem related to immigration, and that's troubling even if leave could be justified on other grounds. Nate Silver had a comment on the 538 podcast, something like, "We hold up liberal democracy as the pinnacle of governance, but it seems to have a systemic problem with immigration." That seems troubling, and I'm not sure entirely what to make of it yet.

[0] http://www.voanews.com/content/google-appeals-french-order-f...