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Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by yincrash on Friday June 24, 2016 @11:59AM (#11970821)
Switzerland is also much smaller than the UK or California in most respects.
Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by runako on Friday June 24, 2016 @12:14PM (#11970955)
This is a curious claim, so I did a little checking.

It turns out that Switzerland is smaller than the Los Angeles metro area both in GDP and population.

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by raverbashing on Friday June 24, 2016 @01:31PM (#11971744)
Are you sure?

It seems it's comparable in size, but not smaller

Take a look http://mapfrappe.com/?show=40241 (it's a rough sketch of Switzerland but the size should be right)

Edit: yes, I think parent meant population, not actual size

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by runako on Friday June 24, 2016 @01:34PM (#11971776)
You're right that Switzerland is physically bigger than the LA metro area. I didn't compare land masses.

Edit: Also, Wikipedia is possibly a better source for comparing sizes of landmasses.

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by imglorp on Friday June 24, 2016 @12:30PM (#11971122)
Switzerland also has a much higher literacy rate. That makes it a lot easier to get an intelligent decision from the public.

LA for example is only about 66 percent: http://www.laalmanac.com/education/ed33a.htm

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by 27182818284 on Friday June 24, 2016 @12:16PM (#11970970)
>Switzerland is also much smaller than the UK or California in most respects.

This comes up all the time, especially in "Why can't the US do X?" discussions but isn't it just the equivalent of shouting down with "That will never scale!"

Of course it might not be exactly the same. Maybe the bigger country will need more servers spun up or a tweaked algorithm (to continue the analogy), but just saying a country is smaller doesn't mean things are a No before even being tried. I'm assuming there were railroads across other smaller countries before the US had the transcontinental railroad too.

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by gshulegaard on Friday June 24, 2016 @12:25PM (#11971066)
It was my understanding that the effectiveness of direct democracies has been inversely related to size of population throughout history...

So, specifically in the context of discussing direct democracy, size does matter.

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by 27182818284 on Friday June 24, 2016 @12:29PM (#11971109)
That is a good point, but, how many of those democracies took place in the era of fast communication by locomotive, telegraph, email, SMS, the long distance phone call, Skype, and others? Surely there is a difference between the Roman Empire being stretched and sending messages by foot and FDR addressing the US by radio.
Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by gshulegaard on Friday June 24, 2016 @01:50PM (#11971916)
This is a fair point, but the largest issue (IMO) wasn't directly related to communication time...rather it has been the risk of Tyranny of the Majority.

Even in the relatively recent founding history of the United States, the Federalist Papers discuss and try to address a variety of issues which can lead to this outcome.

And ultimately, I think this is what we see with the Brexit outcome and the current Trump campaign in the US. These aren't "new" concepts...throughout history we can see similar outcomes for similar events with similar reasons.

You raise an excellent point though, which is with the ease of communication in the modern era, why don't we have a more informed public? This is something I have thought about trying to tackle with a side dev project...but the issue is complex and difficult to address directly.

Side note, I believe the Roman Empire was a Republic, not a Direct Democracy :)

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by akiselev on Friday June 24, 2016 @02:14PM (#11972099)
Nit pick: the Roman Empire was founded after the Roman Republic, when Julius Caesar overthrew the senate.
Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by dragonwriter on Friday June 24, 2016 @02:21PM (#11972151)
> Nit pick: the Roman Empire was founded after the Roman Republic, when Julius Caesar overthrew the senate.

Nit pick: the Roman Empire, in one sense, was founded while Rome was still ruled by the Republic; in this sense, the Empire is the metropole-periphery arrangement with Rome proper ruling as the metropole and the various provinces as peripheries.

In the other sense (the sense of the Empire as a form of government within the Rome rather than the relation between Rome and the provinces), the Roman Empire was founded when Caesar Augustus was granted a variety of lifetime powers by the Senate.

In either sense, it was not founded by (or during the life of) Julius Caesar.

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by jessaustin on Friday June 24, 2016 @12:23PM (#11971048)
Maybe the bigger nation just shouldn't be so big?
Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by xenophonf on Friday June 24, 2016 @01:27PM (#11971715)
Hence, the "states" part of "United States".