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Re:UK votes to leave EU by imron on Friday June 24, 2016 @01:24AM (#11966806)
How much of that is just money markets running scared and doing stupid things. The value in 2-3 months time will be much more instructive than the night of the vote.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by vidarh on Friday June 24, 2016 @02:32AM (#11967179)
But keep in mind the bad news has just started. I'm sure there will an initial bounce back, but then we're facing two years of uncertainty.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by imron on Saturday June 25, 2016 @12:54AM (#11975291)
But keep in mind that for the last 2 years the GBP has been on a general downwards trend [0], and in the lead up to the vote (the preceding 10 days) there was a rally that boosted the value by at least half of what was lost.

The raw value of the figures seems scary (lowest value in 30 years, value of the pound dropped by 13%), but the reality is that after dipping very briefly to "the lowest level in 30 years" the GBP is currently about the same as it was in Feb this year and the value is down 4% from 2 weeks ago (not great, but nothing like a 13% downwards plunge).

Edit: Also worth noting, the FTSE is up from the start of the month, and roughly equal to what it was at the start of the week. Aside from a big dip and a bounce, it's literally like nothing happened [1].

0: http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=2Y

1: https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^FTSE#symbol=^FTSE;ra...

Re:UK votes to leave EU by nbouscal on Friday June 24, 2016 @09:26AM (#11969594)
If the market is doing stupid things, go make a killing. Until you've done so, you're really in no place to criticize the market.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by imron on Friday June 24, 2016 @11:40PM (#11975096)
Unfortunately the market can stay irrational longer than I can stay solvent.

That doesn't mean I'm not in a place to comment on what the market is doing - especially when it's a pattern that is repeated again and when major events occur.

2-3 months after the event will give a better idea of how the market values the decision to leave, rather than 1 day after.

A good 1/2 of the "tumble" was only added in the 10 days leading up to the decision [0].

I might not be making a killing, but someone is.

0: http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=1M

Re:UK votes to leave EU by nbouscal on Saturday June 25, 2016 @11:57AM (#11976754)
You're explicitly claiming that it won't stay "irrational" in the 2-3 month time range. If you actually knew that with any degree of certainty, you would be able to profit from it. If a pattern actually does happen again and again, you can profit from it, it's really that simple. If you haven't done so, you're just a pundit.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by imron on Saturday June 25, 2016 @07:09PM (#11978465)
No I'm saying in 2-3 months time there will be a clearer trend of how the market values the decision compared to 24 hours after the event.

I don't know which way that trend will go, just that it will be clearer.

Edit: Also, keep in mind that all of this is in the context of the post of was replying to, trying to point out that the pound hasn't "tumbled".

You can't take the highest point from just before the result was known, and the lowest point from the few hours afterwards as a representative point of how the pound is doing in response to the news. If you put it in the context of a few weeks, or a few months, things are much more sane.

Despite all the sensationalism that the pound reached it's lowest point in 30 years, the pound is currently at the around the same price it was a few months back (currently only trading at a couple of cents lower than what it was back at the end of Feb - $1.37 vs $1.39).

Re:UK votes to leave EU by nbouscal on Sunday June 26, 2016 @12:31PM (#11981447)
I agree that people summarize things in a sensationalist manner, and that cherry-picking endpoints is unreasonable. I disagree that the pound hasn't tumbled: it did in fact drop substantially in a very short period of time. I also don't really agree that you get a clearer understanding of the market response in the long term. In the short term, it's very clear that the market is reacting to a single event. In the long term, you have to try to separate the effects of this event from all the others, which is dramatically more difficult.

Also, even if you don't know which way it'll go, you are making some claim about how the market will behave. It sounds like you're predicting a decrease in volatility? Ok, you can bet on that. If not that, then what? If you aren't predicting something that can be bet on, you aren't predicting anything at all.

Re:UK votes to leave EU by nzp on Sunday June 26, 2016 @12:05PM (#11981343)
This is a non sequitur. There is a myriad of reasons why one might not profit even if they're completely right about the market. For example: just can't be bothered.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by nbouscal on Sunday June 26, 2016 @12:29PM (#11981435)
Yes, just can't be bothered to make an arbitrary amount of profit. That's definitely a justifiable reason. ಠ_ಠ