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Re:CIA Director John Brennan Pretends Foreign Cryptography D... by Bartweiss on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @09:22AM (#11945380)
Which returns to the top commenter's point: Brennan is well aware that this won't end usage of newly-unencrypted US products. It will drive away foreign companies, and those with something to hide, but it will still expand CIA access to the bulk of everyday, non-criminal users.
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Re:CIA Director John Brennan Pretends Foreign Cryptography D... by ikeboy on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @09:27AM (#11945405)
My point is that "the terrorists/people with something to hide will switch" is incorrect, and so the claim that this isn't about catching them is unsupported. Data shows that even terrorists or other people committing high profile crimes won't always make sure to use encryption. It's very possible preventing encryption by default will help catch a couple of those.
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Re:CIA Director John Brennan Pretends Foreign Cryptography D... by chopin on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @09:52AM (#11945566)
It's very possible preventing encryption by default will help catch a couple of those.

I doubt that. I agree with you that many use unencrypted products though, so you have a point. However in almost all events I can remember the people committing terrorist acts where already known to at least some agencies. The agencies already drown in false positives. There is no indication that this will change. This strengthens my point: it is not about terrorists.

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Re:CIA Director John Brennan Pretends Foreign Cryptography D... by Bartweiss on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @10:12AM (#11945709)
Notably, the Orlando shooter was even more known to security agencies than usual. He had been investigated twice and 'cleared'. After that, he was turned away from a gun store before the shooting for suspicious requests, which led to a tip the FBI didn't follow up on! Somehow, James Comey spun that as "we did everything we could".

If even that level of prior knowledge is being ignored to push for yet more data (and more false positives) it becomes really hard to believe that this request is being made on the level.

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Re:CIA Director John Brennan Pretends Foreign Cryptography D... by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @10:52AM (#11946020)
Don't forget the time that the Russians(!) put the name of two brothers in the Boston area on a list of "people we think are up to no good" and sent that list to one of the three letter agencies.
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Re:CIA Director John Brennan Pretends Foreign Cryptography D... by ikeboy on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @10:43AM (#11945940)
Once you have an active lead, investigation is easier if they aren't using encryption. You're focusing on the successes, which necessarily are the cases where the agencies failed.
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