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Re:Home Depot Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Visa, MasterCard by toomuchtodo on Friday June 17, 2016 @11:29AM (#11923207)
> It seems to me that these alternatives (Chip & sign, chip and pin, carrying a credit card at all) all compete poorly with the "tap my phone to pay" offerings.

Apple takes a cut for "tap to pay". No one wants to pay extra middlemen.

> For reasons I don't understand, the credit card makers have spent many years bringing the new chip cards to market, they include much higher technology than ever offered before, yet the payment process takes much longer.

It took years to roll out chip and pin because no one wanted to pay for the new terminals (another expensive cost pushed on to someone). It takes longer to approve a transaction because of the challenge response implemented to reduce fraud.

> I do understand the fees though. The credit card brands and banks have worked themselves, through years of diligent effort, into a business where they can impose a kind of "tax" of 3% on most of the retail economy across the entire US.

This is being driven down by legislation.

Everything has a cost, and someone has to pay it.

Re:Home Depot Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Visa, MasterCard by chicagobob on Friday June 17, 2016 @01:04PM (#11923819)
That is not quite correct. Neither MasterCard nor Visa charge merchants any extra to use ApplePay. In fact, some merchant banks even lower merchant fees if they adopt secure payment methods like ApplePay.

MasterCard and Visa do pay Apple a minuscule fee (15¢ per $100.00, and less in Europe), however, it is smaller than the amount they expect to save due to reduced fraud from folks using ApplePay (and Apple apparently has also agreed to split some fraction of any fraud losses with them).

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Pay#Service

Re:Home Depot Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Visa, MasterCard by lorenzhs on Friday June 17, 2016 @11:34AM (#11923237)
> Everything has a cost, and someone has to pay it.

In Europe, the interchange fee (what the retailer's bank pays to the card company) is limited to 0.3% for credit cards and 0.2% for debit cards. This came into effect sometime last year.

Re:Home Depot Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Visa, MasterCard by snuxoll on Friday June 17, 2016 @01:22PM (#11924008)
Are you sure that's not 3% and 2%? When you consider the banks are on the hook for fradulent charges the interchange fee is their buffer to cover this (plus the myriad reward programs most banks offer).
Re:Home Depot Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Visa, MasterCard by germanier on Friday June 17, 2016 @01:28PM (#11924071)
Yes, those numbers are correct, see e.g. http://ec.europa.eu/competition/sectors/financial_services/e... and http://ec.europa.eu/competition/sectors/financial_services/p... for an overview.

Reward programs always have been a bit less pronounced here in Europe and mostly have been reduced after the regulation of interchange fees.

Re:Home Depot Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Visa, MasterCard by 1_2__3 on Saturday June 18, 2016 @01:20AM (#11927222)
Wow, it's almost as if capping the fees they can charge provides an incentive for the banks to aggressively pursue anti-fraud technologies that benefit everyone.

Naw, never mind this is the USA. Free market is all that matters.

Re:Home Depot Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Visa, MasterCard by Shivetya on Friday June 17, 2016 @01:32PM (#11924105)
My only problem with Apple Pay and the like is that my cards work perfectly fine and are simple to use. That and I keep forgetting to use it and then when I do I probably cannot.

With regards to merchant fees, I have actually had some merchants say they would be glad to take a check

Re:Home Depot Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Visa, MasterCard by MBCook on Friday June 17, 2016 @02:26PM (#11924519)
If it didn't take so long most merchants prefer checks because there are no special fees on them.

As for Apple Pay, it becomes A LOT more compelling if you have an Apple Watch. All of a sudden instead of having to pull your phone out of your pocket you Press the button on the watch, move your wrist in front of the reader, and it's done.

Re:Home Depot Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Visa, MasterCard by ghaff on Friday June 17, 2016 @03:40PM (#11925074)
I don't have an Apple Watch but I could definitely see using it for payments if I did. As it is, it's at least as easy and fast for me to pull out a credit card as it is my phone so I haven't seen a reason to pay with my phone.
Re:Home Depot Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Visa, MasterCard by Doctor_Fegg on Friday June 17, 2016 @06:20PM (#11925917)
Unfortunately it has the glitches that everything on the Apple Watch has. Double-press to pay... oh, wait, "Updating card information". Ok, I'll get the card out. Or you try it on the Tube and the barriers just flash "no go" at you, for some unexplained reason. Roll on watchOS 3.
Re:Home Depot Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Visa, MasterCard by MBCook on Friday June 17, 2016 @06:03PM (#11925832)
Before I started using the watch I only used Apple Pay for novelty.

To be fair since I've gotten my watch Apple Pay is in WAY more places so I can use it on a regular basis.

I think Apple Pay would still win over the card for privacy (I'm REALLY tired of getting cards stolen) and speed over the current chip system.