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Re:Facebook Offers Tools for Those Who Fear a Friend May Be ... by dragonwriter on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @06:25PM (#11905839)
> that's essentially an argument of the form "the ends justifies the means."

What else would justify the means? There's nothing wrong with that form of argument.

There are arguments of that form that are wrong, but not because of the form, rather, because either the ends don't justify the means, or because the means produce additional unaccounted costs which offset the value they have in producing the ends. Or, because there are less-costly means to the ends, or because the means don't actually produce the ends used to justify them.

Re:Facebook Offers Tools for Those Who Fear a Friend May Be ... by x3n0ph3n3 on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @06:49PM (#11905979)
The means in such arguments are implied to be unethical or somehow violate the rights of someone. When that's the case, the proposed end result is used to justify the otherwise unethical action.

I've never seen a valid argument of that form and I use this particular phrase as a heuristic for validating arguments. If you have examples of arguments that best take that form, I'd be happy to entertain them.

Re:Facebook Offers Tools for Those Who Fear a Friend May Be ... by dragonwriter on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @06:53PM (#11906003)
That's just an a priori assertion that certain means are categorically unjustifiable (by anything, ends or otherwise) because they are inherently unethical, which is irrelevant to the form of the argument.

If you want to make the point that certain means are categorically unacceptable, make that argument (which will very quickly, I suspect, get to a root moral axiom on which no debate is possible, simply agreement or disagreement) rather than raising irrelevancies about the form of the argument.

Re:Facebook Offers Tools for Those Who Fear a Friend May Be ... by x3n0ph3n3 on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @07:05PM (#11906070)
Fair reply, though I think I've stated my axiom: people have a right to nonexistence. As a corollary: people don't have a right to the existence of others.