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Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by Retric on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @01:59PM (#11903929)
You can find deeply troubling things about all cultures. White, black, brown, rich, poor, middle class, young, old, doctors, brick layers, or welfare recipients. Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and Buddhists all have beliefs that seem wrong to people both inside and outside of those groups.

Pretending groups are somehow above criticism is more about manners than fact.

PS: I have watched several people become more and sometimes less racist after moving to DC. This has far more about cultural friction than the people involved.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by stcredzero on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:07PM (#11904000)
People need to be aware of the distinction between criticizing cultural/sub-cultural mores/ideologies and criticizing individuals. In the US, the two seem to get very often confused.

Individuals are individuals. Sub-cultural mores are products (distortions) of the media. The two are not the same. However, the latter seems to have tremendous power in framing public debate.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by Retric on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:24PM (#11904124)
Cultures are frameworks for viewing the world. Some early anti drug adds actually backfired and promoted drug use as some people started to associate 'cool kids' and drugs. Some groups associate 'Long hours' with hard work and dedication, others view them as a sign your not working hard enough.

Not that everyone in a group identifies with every assumption of that group, but these things are more complex than simply being shaped by the all powerful media.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by stcredzero on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:30PM (#11904168)
these things are more complex than simply being shaped by the all powerful media.

This notion itself is becoming more nebulous with the rise of social media. Traditional media has lost much of its power, and much of that power has been taken over by social media. When the media merges with and to a large extent becomes us, what happens? I'm not so sure.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by rhizome on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:20PM (#11904089)
That some have and others have not become more racist after moving to DC means it's primarily about the people involved. If it can't be generalized on "moving to DC," then the distinctions have to be evaluated on finer data.
Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by 794CD01 on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @05:07PM (#11905321)
Your criticism isn't internally consistent. For the sake of argument, let's say that racism is quantifiable. It probably isn't, but saying people get more or less racist pretty much implied that it is, so just run with it for a second. Say that after moving to DC, everyone's racism level gradually moves towards 75. That obviously means it's about DC, not the people. But some people started at 30 and some people started at 90. So some people get less racist and some get more racist.
Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by rhizome on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @08:03PM (#11906358)
The statement I was responding to was, "This has far more about cultural friction than the people involved."

Your reply supports this: whether they do or don't (and to what degree) is an individual matter. I wasn't disputing that experience can change a person's attachment to racism.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by Retric on Wednesday June 15, 2016 @10:44AM (#11909626)
It's not that a specific person does a specific things that's bad. It's that cultures have different takes on accepted behaviors. Some behavior that seems more or less ok in culture A, is going to piss people off from culture B. Do you stand on the left or right side of a hallway when talking down it?

At the same time you will find people going against type regularly. Which has a moderating effect. It's hard to think X are bums when you see hard working people from X.

Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by 794CD01 on Wednesday June 15, 2016 @09:43AM (#11909257)
I think my contrived example implies the exact opposite. If their new level is largely determined by where they live and work, why wouldn't you expect the same of the old one? Perhaps the 30 moved from New York, while the 90 moved from San Francisco.
Re:In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto co... by Retric on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:34PM (#11904210)
Don't assume everyone is starting from the same point. There are many successful people from all walks of life in DC, but you also see people imposing on others in public. Sure, it's only the worst 5% that's causing problems but get enough people together and that 5% can get really annoying.

I also often see people complain about their own ethic group a lot, though this is more about class than race.