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Re:Germany Runs Up Against the Limits of Renewables by kuschku on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @01:58PM (#11903918)
The current solution for coal are testing areas for compressed carbon storage, and they’re less risky than the nuclear waste storage.

The continual leaking of nuclear waste into the ground water at the Asse II underground nuclear waste storage site is a huge issue.

And so, already in '98, the Energiewende was started.

In the early 2000s Merkel tried to roll back the Energiewende, but was forced to roll back the rolling back when Fukushima happened, and people realized we had plants of the same construction type, where continually the emergency generators failed, and everyone said "nothing wrong, even if the generators fail, it can never go up".

German nuclear controls are just as much of a joke as nuclear controls in Japan or the US, and in most countries, they’re even worse.

One nuclear plant in Germany has bribed regulators for years to just sign it off, despite it violating regulations. Then there’s the plant in Belgium, where construction workers drilled through the containment vessel to screw a holder for a fire extinguisher on it.

Holes stayed open for many years.

Nuclear is a nice concept in theory, but in any capitalistic society, it can not work, because greed will end up with companies trying to save money, and if bribes are cheaper than following the laws, they will do that. If lobbying is cheaper, they’ll do that. If they can just leave the country and can’t be held liable, they’ll just do that.

Re:Germany Runs Up Against the Limits of Renewables by aianus on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @03:32PM (#11904668)
> One nuclear plant in Germany has bribed regulators for years to just sign it off, despite it violating regulations.

Why do you think regulations around coal generation are any easier to enforce than regulations around nuclear generation?

Re:Germany Runs Up Against the Limits of Renewables by mikeash on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:18PM (#11904074)
You can easily find millions of people with serious health problems due to coal waste. The problem is so bad that it's recommended that sensitive populations limit their intake of seafood because of the mercury in it, much of which comes from coal. How many can you find with serious health problems due to nuclear waste? How many large categories of food have cautions on them for children and pregnant women due to nuclear waste?

You can talk about possibilities all you want, but the fact is that as they are done coal waste is a lot more dangerous. So it's weird to put so much emphasis on closing nuclear plants first.

Re:Germany Runs Up Against the Limits of Renewables by kuschku on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:40PM (#11904245)
We have solutions for clean coal.

Filter all the pollutants out, and use Compressed Carbon Storage for the CO2. We already are enforcing the first on all existing plants, and working on the second.

But long-term, renewables are the only solution.

Re:Germany Runs Up Against the Limits of Renewables by mikeash on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:55PM (#11904382)
Nothing works 100%. How many nines does "all the pollutants" consist of? This is important because the amount of waste produced by coal is vast, many orders of magnitude more than nuclear, so even many nines can still result in more harm than from nuclear.

Also, how do you store the pollutants, and why doesn't that technique work for nuclear waste? I'm guessing that storing the pollutants consists of putting it in good, strong containers, which works fine for nuclear waste too. It's not perfect, but it doesn't really make much of a difference whether it's mercury or uranium leaking.

Re:Germany Runs Up Against the Limits of Renewables by spangry on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:48PM (#11904306)
So because there's scope for bad people to do bad things or cut corners, it's not an option? That basically rules out any form of power generation.

For instance, wind power: http://i.imgur.com/xHyOoc9.jpg

This picture was taken just prior to these two engineers jumping to their deaths rather than being burnt alive. I assume the turbine spontaneously catching fire is not an intentional design feature, but rather the result of inadequate quality control during manufacturing?