Re:Intel's roadmap for Optane SSDs with 1,000x performance
by nashashmi on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:32PM
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If SSDs and RAM reach the same speeds, could RAM become obsolete? If so, architecture of computers will change drastically.
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Re:Intel's roadmap for Optane SSDs with 1,000x performance
by loeg on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:58PM
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If 3d Xpoint is cheaper, lower latency, and higher throughput than DRAM, yes, it will obsolete DRAM. Currently it is higher latency, and lower throughput. And it is cheaper on a per-GB basis, but with a much higher minimum GB (like, 128GB).
Re:Intel's roadmap for Optane SSDs with 1,000x performance
by toomuchtodo on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:15PM
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DRAM doesn't wear though. Depending on your use case, you might not care if RAM is ephemeral. It just needs to be fast.
Re:Intel's roadmap for Optane SSDs with 1,000x performance
by loeg on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:26PM
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Yes, that's true (wear). Still, if 3d xpoint is durable enough and cheap/fast, it goes a long way towards obsoleting DRAM.
Re:Intel's roadmap for Optane SSDs with 1,000x performance
by lorenzhs on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @05:41AM
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I don't think that it's intended to replace DRAM. It's going to be cheaper than DRAM (price-wise, I expect DRAM / 3DXpoint ≈ 3DXpoint / NAND), but significantly higher latency (the article says an order of magnitude, but those figures don't seem to include bus stuff etc, so it might be a bit more. Total latency will likely be in the range of a few hundred nanoseconds). That, and the limited durability (much higher than NAND, but still limited).
I think this is going to be amazing for "in-memory" data bases: it's cheaper, still very fast, has higher capacity and is persistent (the article doesn't even mention that). But it won't replace DRAM any time soon imho.
Re:Intel's roadmap for Optane SSDs with 1,000x performance
by kijiki on Wednesday June 15, 2016 @01:05PM
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Even if it just cheaper and same order of magnitude latency, it'll likely take over. High end systems would still have DRAM as a large L4/LLC cache, while low end ones will omit it.
Re:Intel's roadmap for Optane SSDs with 1,000x performance
by quantumhobbit on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:54PM
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They might reach the same throughput before getting similar latency, in which case RAM will stick around for a while despite SSds having the same or higher 'speeds'
Re:Intel's roadmap for Optane SSDs with 1,000x performance
by aeharding on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:52PM
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One of the slides mentioned it as a technology that can "serve as system memory and storage."
Re:Intel's roadmap for Optane SSDs with 1,000x performance
by markokrajnc on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @03:46AM
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This may really change software. In the mean time combine RAM and Optane SSD and you will get RAM read spead and permanent RAM storage...
Re:Intel's roadmap for Optane SSDs with 1,000x performance
by sorenjan on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:17PM
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Hewlett Packard Labs is working on something like that: http://www.labs.hpe.com/research/themachine/
Re:Intel's roadmap for Optane SSDs with 1,000x performance
by PeCaN on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:06PM
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Lately I hear they spend their days playing Duke Nukem Forever on GNU/Hurd instead of working on memristors.
Re:Intel's roadmap for Optane SSDs with 1,000x performance
by soganess on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:48PM
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I was HPE Discover and while HP Labs had a pretty big presence, "the machine"(what a name, huh?) was less present. In previous years, it was more center-stage. I am obviously overreaching, but that isn't a good sign.