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Re:Ask HN: Should I sell out the startup that misled me? by norswap on Monday June 13, 2016 @10:03AM (#11893935)
They're purposefully misleading you. Have no shame. Consult with a lawyer, then issue them an ultimatum: wages and taxes paid, or you'll rat them out and prevent them (via lawsuit if necessary) from using your IP. I bet they'll miraculously find money somewhere. Be sure to fix a deadline, otherwise they might just try to delay this forever. (IANAL)
Re:Ask HN: Should I sell out the startup that misled me? by emeraldd on Monday June 13, 2016 @10:19AM (#11894075)
The Lawyer is an absolute must at this point. Given that you're now aware of what's going on, it is entirely possible that you have legal responsibilities that you are not aware of to report or otherwise act on the information.Plus a lawyer should know how to phrase this kind of things so it isn't legally extortion/blackmail. (IANAL)

(fix minor phrasing error.)

Re:Ask HN: Should I sell out the startup that misled me? by delphinius81 on Monday June 13, 2016 @11:10AM (#11894464)
Also, if there is anything officially linking you as an officer in the company (you state you were CTO), you could be held partly liable for the tax/wage fraud if you don't report it. (IANAL)

Even if that were not the case, I say report them. You'll be helping the other people in the company that you like by preventing the CEO from walking over them in the future (if the CEO would do it to another officer of the company, they would certainly do it to the rank and file). It will also set an example to other start-up founders not to screw over people they want to employ.

Re:Ask HN: Should I sell out the startup that misled me? by gwbas1c on Monday June 13, 2016 @10:34AM (#11894170)
When I encountered clowns that ran companies like the post described, there's probably no money for back wages and taxes.

My guess is that the founder is three steps out of the poor house himself (or herself.)

Re:Ask HN: Should I sell out the startup that misled me? by throwaway090909 on Monday June 13, 2016 @01:36PM (#11895634)
It's almost certain the CEO is under major duress and has little cash. Most people are dishonest not because they like to be, but because they have their backs up against the wall.

1. Decide you are going to leave, be confident it's the right choice (it is)

2. Protect yourself, by understanding the legal implications with your own research or with a lawyer.

3. As the person in the position of power here (you are) have compassion.

4. Explain that you cannot stay, but you don't want to hurt them unnecessarily.

5.Make a plan for equity compensation, full rights to all of your work (at least for your own and further commercial use), while allowing them to use it under a license that doesn't blow up their lives.

6. Write your letter of recommendation for moving on to the next thing, and have it be clear that you finding job security is a necessary condition for things to proceed.

...Or, blow it all up, while trying to minimize the negative consequences for yourself. Which could be fair enough.

Re:Ask HN: Should I sell out the startup that misled me? by norswap on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @12:44PM (#11903261)
> Most people are dishonest not because they like to be, but because they have their backs up against the wall.

This is not my personal experience.

> As the person in the position of power here (you are) have compassion.

He just got robbed of months of wages. Sure, he has the hand, but he's still undeniably the victim.

I'm all for compassion, and understanding but sometimes things are quite clear cut. I'm not arguing for vendetta, just reparation.

Re:Ask HN: Should I sell out the startup that misled me? by st3v3r on Monday June 13, 2016 @01:55PM (#11895771)
The CEO not having any cash is no excuse for breaking the law.
Re:Ask HN: Should I sell out the startup that misled me? by more_corn on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:05PM (#11897635)
I'd like to up-vote this response harder.
Re:Ask HN: Should I sell out the startup that misled me? by nocash on Monday June 13, 2016 @10:49AM (#11894281)
I suspect this is the case.
Re:Ask HN: Should I sell out the startup that misled me? by gwbas1c on Monday June 13, 2016 @11:25AM (#11894614)
Well, hopefully you're young a flexible enough that you can bounce back quickly after learning a valuable lesson.

A few years ago, I worked with a guy for 18 months without pay. I bounced back!

In our case, we didn't try to convince other people to work for us for free.

Now that I think I can read between the lines, give this guy (or gal) about a week to see the error in his ways. Make sure it is on friendly terms. For example, every day, continually engage him (or her) in discussions about the legal issues of employing other people.

If he does not see the error in his ways, torpedo him so that he can't accidentally screw people over like this again.

If he does see the error in his ways, you're going to have to take a personal hit yourself. Disband the company on amicable terms. If it's a good idea, and everybody owns most of the IP, you can get back together in a week or two and find a new leader.

Re:Ask HN: Should I sell out the startup that misled me? by jacquesm on Monday June 13, 2016 @02:06PM (#11895855)
I'd agree with you... but a really good friend of mine was in exactly this situation and that company, pretty much on the day that he left, ended up selling for big money to a competitor. So, having learned the hard way (but not the hardest way, it could have been my ass on the line instead of my friends') I would go the lawyer route, just in case.