Re:Elon Musk provides new details on his ‘mind blowing’ miss...
by bergie on Saturday June 11, 2016 @10:02AM
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The Martian atmosphere also makes aerobraking possible, meaning spacecraft arriving there need less delta-V. A Dragon2 can land in Mars, but not on the Moon because of this.
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Re:Elon Musk provides new details on his ‘mind blowing’ miss...
by exDM69 on Saturday June 11, 2016 @10:14AM
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Aerobraking is a benefit but is the Dragon really unable to land on the moon? The moon has less gravity (about half) and the velocity difference should be much smaller for a lunar intercept than a Mars intercept.
Has anyone got numbers for this?
Re:Elon Musk provides new details on his ‘mind blowing’ miss...
by lmm on Saturday June 11, 2016 @10:20AM
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Dragon doesn't have enough delta-V to land on the moon. The plan for a Mars landing is to use it as a lifting body to keep it above the ground for long enough to shed most of its velocity.
Re:Elon Musk provides new details on his ‘mind blowing’ miss...
by dalke on Saturday June 11, 2016 @11:10AM
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I've read various statements which say that Dragon can land on the Moon, such as http://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/mars-ahead-spacex-unvei... :
> Musk has said a fully loaded Dragon could even be sent to make a touchdown on the moon or Mars
or https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/04/spacex-debut-red-dra... :
> “With Dragon launched on a Falcon Heavy, it can go pretty much anywhere in the solar system, because that’s a heck of a big rocket,” he continued.
> “Dragon, with the heat shield, parachutes and propulsive landing capability, is able to land on a planet that has higher entry heating, like Mars. It can also land on the Moon, or potentially conduct a Europa mission.”
How does that fit with the statement "Dragon doesn't have enough delta-V to land on the moon"?
Re:Elon Musk provides new details on his ‘mind blowing’ miss...
by exDM69 on Saturday June 11, 2016 @10:24AM
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Yes, GP said that already but I'm after the numbers here. How much delta-v the Dragon has? And what are the approximate requirements for Moon vs. Mars landing?
Re:Elon Musk provides new details on his ‘mind blowing’ miss...
by Symmetry on Saturday June 11, 2016 @10:50AM
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The Dragon 2 has about 1.6 km/s. Apollo had 2.47 km/s to land and 2.22 km/s to take off. Oh, and it would take on the order of 4.5 km/s to take off from Mars and maybe a few hundred to land.