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Re:Investigatory Powers Bill passes through Commons after La... by asuffield on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @07:05AM (#11861388)
I don't understand where you think you can find the slightest shred of liberalism in this piece of legislation. This is very much old labour: maximising state power and control over individuals, because the state knows best.

A liberal bill would minimise the state's authority to do this sort of thing.

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Re:Investigatory Powers Bill passes through Commons after La... by toyg on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @07:21AM (#11861455)
"as seen in the two-party systems of North America."

aka Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Dianne Feinstein, Joe Lieberman... total hawks on civil rights (except on '60s causes like abortion and black voting, which most sane people already take for granted), but still very much "liberals" in the American sense.

In the European sense, "liberals" are also pretty much "liberalists", aka freetraders/pro-business with a right-wing approach to civil liberties and immigration.

The meaning of liberal issues as being about individual-rights and protection-from-state is rapidly disappearing. I guess it's been subsumed in the "libertarian" hodgepodge.

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