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Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by nostromo on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @04:42PM (#11857635)
This is cool but seems a tad over engineered.

I have a garden. It uses a drip line that's buried in the ground. It's $10 worth of tubing from Lowes with a few holes where plants go. It's on a $15 timer that waters automatically once a day. I do, however, have to take a few minutes to put seeds in the ground.

That said, I would be throwing money at the monitor right now if this thing was smart enough to identify weeds and remove them. (Maybe that's in the plans? They have a part for weeding shown.)

But I love all these new ideas around farming. The most interesting is hydroponics considering how much more resourceful it is with water (sometimes using 90% less water per equal amount of harvest).

Edit: for those asking, all I used was half inch black tubing (the kind they use for automated sprinkler systems), drilled small holes every 12 inches, buried it, hooked it up to a spigot with a timer, and that's it.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by prawn on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @11:18PM (#11859760)
I agree. For me, planting seeds is easy and watering is straightforward (driplines on a timer). It's the weeding (despite mulching) and pest control that is ongoing, time consuming and difficult to automate.

If I don't dust tomatoes or cover broccoli/etc I will lose almost everything.

Something that skimmed/raked the surface lightly at regular intervals between rows to frustrate slugs and disrupt weeds would probably help me, but not sure how it could reliably account for varying plant types, sagging leaves, wayward tomato vines, etc.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by tiplus on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @03:23AM (#11860596)
Yes, I agree (in part). This stuff makes a lot more sense when you add climate / light control. Some plants are very difficult to cultivate, coffee for example (it needs constant temperature and will drop all leaves if you leave the window open on a frosty day). Others, like tomatoes, are difficult/impossible to get right if your garden is too shady (personal experience).

The energy costs for indoor climate / light regulation can quickly become outrageous compared to super market veggie prices. Therefore, I think this type of tech is for rare exotic plant, maybe historical even.

Imagine buying a piece of tech for growing historical coffee plants in your basement where you set the climate control to Kenia or Hawaii (buy the soil addon?) and which guarantees (as in `likely it will yield') you 2kg of your own personal coffee harvest per plant. This stuff has urban hipster $$$ written all over it.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by patrickk on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @05:20AM (#11860997)
> Imagine buying a piece of tech for growing historical coffee plants in your basement where you set the climate control to Kenia or Hawaii (buy the soil addon?) and which guarantees (as in `likely it will yield') you 2kg of your own personal coffee harvest per plant. This stuff has urban hipster $$$ written all over it.

If you could control climate and soil to that degree, I can think of a certain plant that you could grow that will yield much more profit than a coffee plant: http://botanycentral.providence.wikispaces.net/file/view/coc...

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by j_s on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @10:54AM (#11862623)
Yes, these discussions of alternative farming options always wind up being about growing drugs:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11845573

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by DKnoll on Thursday June 09, 2016 @07:01PM (#11873024)
The amount of coca needed would be far more than can fit in a basement.
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by treehau5 on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @11:34AM (#11862910)
Hi, I am learning more about farming, can you explain why you have to dust tomatoes or cover the broccoli?

Also, I seem to have a pest problem as well, I think rabbits, as all the leaves on my bean stalks have seemingly been chewed off.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by prawn on Friday June 10, 2016 @02:04AM (#11874567)
Garden stores usually sell dust for tomatoes. It discourages burrowing grubs from getting into them.

Broccoli leaves get decimated by caterpillars if they aren't protected from moths laying eggs on them. Same happens to cabbages, bok choy, etc. A fine net with 10mm gaps works fairly well. I use petal poles and arches of pipe to make a removable frame.

Looks a bit like this: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OJlKX8cCges/SoKz6rQJ3bI/AAAAAAAABx...

For slugs/snails, I use pellets but apparently you can use copper tape if you have raised garden beds.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by erkkie on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @04:59AM (#11860918)
Even more interesting (to me) is aquaponics, hydroponics + fish for the nitrogen cycle: http://www.backyardaquaponics.com/information/the-nitrogen-c...
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by lennelpennel on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @05:23AM (#11861010)
I do this at home, hybrid my own urine and some fish. No weeds make it into my grow bed and the yield is high. I even use this water to water my other plants because of its high nutrient content. I power it all of an arduino.
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by white-flame on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @06:21PM (#11858465)
I just use adjustable drippers on an extremely low setting, and leave the water spigot on 24/7. One drip per second is approximately one gallon per day, so you can estimate how much water you're dispensing.

Most timers are either battery-operated, or have to be wound once a day. To me, that sucks, and I don't want to have to route power to the garden system. With the slow drippers, I can leave this for weeks without issue.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by MustardTiger on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @05:29PM (#11858051)
>That said, I would be throwing money at the monitor right now if this thing was smart enough to identify weeds and remove them.

Weeding is entirely unnecessary and often does more harm than good. Plant a cover crop and leave it be. Gardening can already be as simple as 3 tasks: plant, harvest, spread compost. It is just that people are very set in their ways and don't ever think to explore better ways of doing things.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by hutzlibu on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @06:45PM (#11858611)
Have you done that, or just read about it?

Because I read about it (I asume you mean permaculture), tried it out - and dismissed most of it.

Permaculture is indeed great as a concept, but is in no way as easy as people tell you it is. Most of what people tell you about is close to scam (even if it is wishfull thinking)

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by stellar678 on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @08:45PM (#11859220)
Sheet mulching is easy and incredibly effective in my experience. Cardboard topped with a mulch layer like straw. (Optional soil amendments below the cardboard.)

In a small backyard garden you might need to pull out a couple dozen weeds over the entire growing season.

You'll also be able to reduce your water use significantly because you've eliminated most of the open/broken soil that loses water to evaporation.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by prawn on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @09:08PM (#11859307)
I mulch. I still get insane amounts of weeds and they are usually far more aggressive and larger than the crop I'm trying to grow. I think it depends on the quality of your soil and weeds in the area (existing, from neighbours, etc).
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by stellar678 on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @04:05PM (#11865207)
Interesting. Are the weeds penetrating through a barrier like cardboard - or just through a mulch layer? I've worked on some larger-scale permaculture projects where a cardboard/mulch combo managed to kill off a thick blanket of ivy, and that stuff is tenacious.
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by prawn on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @11:24PM (#11867355)
Through a layer of lucerne. Mixture of inheriting poor soil quality, seeds drifting in and passages where it's been let go (while overseas, etc) and weeds have developed seed heads.

Thistles are a real pain here (South Australia), as are soursobs (oxalis). I have an entire catalogue of weeds.

I might try some black plastic on one bed.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by HeyLaughingBoy on Friday June 10, 2016 @03:55PM (#11879502)
I agree. As soon as I read the first comment about weeding being unnecessary, I realized that person wasn't dealing with thistles. I am in an ongoing war with those things. Even after covering up a section of garden for two years with opaque plastic sheet and heavy junk, a week after removing it, up they come.

My soil is very good quality, having been improved with chicken & horse manure and composted chicken litter. The problem is I live on a windy hilltop and seeds from all over land where I'm planting. I've even had a wheat stalk show up.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by prawn on Sunday June 19, 2016 @11:41PM (#11935922)
One key to solarisation is to not turn over the soil after cooking the top layer. If you turn the soil, you bring dormant seeds to the surface where they can once again ruin your life.

If you did that properly and still got thistles, then we're doomed!

One thing to try might be two layers of clear plastic with air trapped between - maybe 15-20cm gap. That further raises the temperature of the soil underneath. It's a method used in greenhouses too.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by gtvwill on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @07:59PM (#11859031)
Mate permacultures easy, like....incredibly easy, if you read into old billy mollisons book and couldn't manage to make it work you probably just over thought the process, and it does make for land that has GREAT production per acre rates.
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by hutzlibu on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @05:12AM (#11860959)
Well, I've seen quite some places doing permaculture in australia and europe - and they all had to do LOTS of work - and a not so great production per acre rate (but it all looked great on the other hand)

And I do use permaculture principles in my garden, but if someone tells me, no weeding is ever needed - then they either do gardening on a different planet, or are just lying.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by MustardTiger on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @09:51PM (#11859477)
Yes, I do it every year to grow thousands of dollars of food for the small CSA I operate. I spend more time taking money and handing people baskets than I do working in the gardens and greenhouse. What did you have trouble with exactly?
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by hutzlibu on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @05:17AM (#11860982)
Well, with Weeds? (and snails)

Are you telling me, that you don't have to do weeding, like OP said, at all?

So not in the protected greenhouse, but out in the open gardens, where there are seeds coming from everywhere?

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by zardo on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @09:04AM (#11861956)
Not all weeds are problematic, dandelions draw water up from deeper in the soil than most plants reach, and they are edible.

The dirt will get covered in plants, but you don't have to pull up everything you didn't plant yourself.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by MustardTiger on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @10:39AM (#11862544)
>Well, with Weeds?

What about them? A weed is simply an unwanted plant. If they do no harm, why do you want to spend time removing them? Again, plant a good cover crop and don't weed. Your soil will be better, you will use less water, and there's no downside.

>(and snails)

Nothing about permaculture says you can't deal with snails. You can still deal with snails/slugs however you like. The obvious being simple copper wire or beer traps.

>Are you telling me, that you don't have to do weeding, like OP said, at all?

Correct. The only plants I pull out of the ground are root vegetables.

>So not in the protected greenhouse, but out in the open gardens, where there are seeds coming from everywhere?

Yes. Again, seeds coming from everywhere doesn't matter, because a dandelion in your potatoes doesn't hurt anything.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by HeyLaughingBoy on Friday June 10, 2016 @04:01PM (#11879546)
If they do no harm, why do you want to spend time removing them?

I agree wholeheartedly. If. Unfortunately, if I ignore the thistles and many of the other unwanted plants, they will outcompete the plants I do want and completely overwhelm them. I'm not a big fan of doing unnecessary work. I know from experience that if I don't weed, I get almost zero yield. Squashes and potatoes are the only plants I have that survived.

OTOH, a few minutes here and there spent weeding (get them while they're small) and I get more veggies than I can eat.

This year I'm experimenting with using discarded heavy plastic bags as mulch to suppress the weeds. I'll see how that goes.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by treehau5 on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @11:38AM (#11862942)
Was at a vineyard in Napa a couple weeks ago and they had a very diverse garden on display. One of the signs pointed out the type of weeds that grew there but referred to them as "volunteer plants" I got a kick out of that.
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by green7ea on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @05:51AM (#11861114)
If it's a possibility, you may want to look into ducks for your snail problem. The ducks will keep the snail population low enough that it won't be a problem.
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by hutzlibu on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @06:21AM (#11861216)
Well, I also heard storys from people where the ducks ate the salad and not the snails ... but also more successfull ones.

But unfortunately ducks are not an option, even though I also would love their eggs.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by Loughla on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @09:18AM (#11862057)
Ducks will also drill you nice little holes after they've eaten your green plants, so anyone who says just get ducks isn't telling the entire truth. Same with chickens. Same with guineas. Same with turkeys. Same with geese.

They'll always eat part of your harvest.

Side-note, duck eggs are great for baked goods. Nice, fluffy cakes and brownies. But fried they're a little gross.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by MustardTiger on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @10:44AM (#11862566)
You can't generalize "ducks". Different breeds behave very differently. The problem is someone saying "get ducks", rather than "get runners", so someone goes and gets whatever random ducks they find and of course they eat the garden. Or getting ducks and not having a pond even!
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by zardo on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @02:34PM (#11864447)
Then you get snakes to control the ducks.
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by spoon16 on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @12:04AM (#11859932)
Any good books that describe the process you use?
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by MustardTiger on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @10:53AM (#11862618)
I honestly don't know, all my info has come from the internet. I use a pond, hugels and cover crop to skip watering. I don't till because tilling is simply harmful, you don't need to do anything to skip that. I use a cover crop of white clover and bugleweed to keep the soil from eroding away, keep the soil full of roots and thus bacteria, and to keep the moisture in the soil instead of having it evaporate off. Bare earth is really terrible, but everyone has learned through osmosis that gardens are supposed to look bare. In the fall after harvesting I spread the composted manure from the goats, rabbits and chickens on the garden beds. That's pretty much it. The biggest difficulty in gardening is planning (how much to plant of which things at what times), not actual work.
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by throwaway1979 on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @12:21PM (#11863344)
Completely agreed. When I tried my hand at gardening, weeding was the hardest part .. we ended up neglecting our garden for a few weeks and the weeds pretty much took over. And this is despite having laid down a layer of black plastic and mulch.
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by tonylemesmer on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @03:54AM (#11860706)
For some its over engineered. But for time poor people who want to grow their own food in the back yard it seems perfect. By virtue of the fact that it can manipulate the plants by robot you can keep track of many metrics automatically via the remote user interface. Where the plants are, when they were planted. Staggered planting. IT could bring relatively advanced techniques to complete newbies.

Plus its scalable - just extend the raised bed if you have space and it allows manual intervention because it can be moved out of the way easily.

For watering yes I agree its complete overkill.

Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by mrfusion on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @04:56PM (#11857750)
How did you build that? I'd love to make something like that.
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by adrusi on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @05:12PM (#11857905)
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by awqrre on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @08:06PM (#11859060)
Doesn't this solenoid need 12V?
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by mdorazio on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @08:13PM (#11859095)
Yes (actually they say it works as low as 6V). You could, however, power it off a solar panel + battery enclosure so it's mostly set and forget.
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by dexterdog on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @05:07PM (#11857855)
A drip line with a timer? This is low-tech stuff that's been available for quite some time. Search for B013JPIJG4 on Amazon.
Re:FarmBot – Open-Source CNC Farming [video] by VLM on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @05:53PM (#11858252)
While you're shopping at amazon there are $25 class kits that come with a water filter, backflow preventer, and pressure regulator. That's what I have on my container garden.

Drip emitters are the kind of thing I should be 3-d printing but at $5 for 50 or whatever the going rate is...