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Re:Traffic-weary homeowners and Waze are at war by mikeash on Monday June 06, 2016 @11:19AM (#11847391)
I don't think there's much irony here. It's a matter of what came first. If you move to a busy downtown then you should know full well that dealing with heavy traffic on your streets is going to be a fact of life. If you move to a quiet suburban street which then years later transforms into a busy artery, that's a completely different situation.

I also completely disagree with your evaluation of pointlessly twisty roads. I dislike them too, but they work really well at keeping through traffic out of the neighborhoods. Many of those pointlessly twisty roads are useless for going anywhere besides the houses they serve, and even when they are useful, they're usually less useful than the main roads. Cut-through traffic is usually a problem in areas with grid layouts, because that makes the side streets nearly as good at getting places as the main road, which can easily transform into "better than" if the main road is congested. For example, the first story in the article is about Takoma Park, which is pretty griddy.

Re:Traffic-weary homeowners and Waze are at war by pc86 on Monday June 06, 2016 @03:26PM (#11849552)
> If you move to a quiet suburban street which then years later transforms into a busy artery, that's a completely different situation.

I say this as someone who bought a house because of most of the reasons mentioned here. That being said, buying property does not somehow imbue you with the right to keep things exactly as they are for three decades while you pay it off.

Cities expand, people move in, population increases. If your quiet, picturesque residential street turns into a rush hour parking lot six years later, that's nobody's fault but it doesn't mean the right thing to do is put up speed humps (the oversized, usually movable plastic speed bumps) or whatever other nonsense you can think of to stick it to people because you were unlucky in your choice of property.

If it's not obvious I am using the royal you, not you specifically mikeash :)

Re:Traffic-weary homeowners and Waze are at war by mikeash on Monday June 06, 2016 @04:10PM (#11849901)
I agree that you don't get to claim sovereignty over your local streets. At the same time, there's an expectation that the character of a neighborhood won't change radically and I don't think that expectation is entirely unreasonable. It's a matter of balancing competing interests. The answer is definitely not to let the local homeowners determine everything about how their street is used, but at the same time the answer is also not to destroy the quality of life of residents for the convenience of through drivers.
Re:Traffic-weary homeowners and Waze are at war by astrodust on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @05:57PM (#11858284)
There's even more irony here because most new suburbs are built on appropriated farmland and I'm sure the farmers in the area are upset at all the new residential traffic and the incessant complaints about their use of natural fertilizer which produces unpleasant odors.

Then one day they build more subdivisions around your subdivision and suddenly your street becomes a convenient way to get to this newer subdivision just as you were driving down roads that were quiet before until your subdivision got built.

Increasing traffic on your street is going to be a fact of life if we insist on building out and out rather than up. Densifying existing areas doesn't create the same problems as with increased density comes other transit options, especially public transit, as well as the reduced need to travel so far since everything's packed into a smaller area.

Instead of grocery stores being a mile apart, you might have two or three within a single square mile because of demand.

Re:Traffic-weary homeowners and Waze are at war by dragonwriter on Tuesday June 07, 2016 @06:06PM (#11858354)
> Increasing traffic on your street is going to be a fact of life if we insist on building out and out rather than up.

Its also a fact of life if we insist on building up. I've never seen a suburb that could compete with NYC on traffic snarls.

> Densifying existing areas doesn't create the same problems

Yes, it does, though it tends to be limited (at about the level where traffic is frequently slower than walking) by lack of parking spaces limiting the number of cars.

> as with increased density comes other transit options

Other transit options are necessary to allow densifying existing areas, because of the point above; you rapidly hit the point where you can't get more people in and out with existing infrastructure. That doesn't mean you don't cause the same traffic problems with density as with sprawl -- you do, and in fact you maximize them that way.