Re:Be warned, there's a nasty Google 2 factor auth attack go...
by quanticle on Sunday June 05, 2016 @06:10PM
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The problem with charging people for password resets is that by making the process of resetting a password more expensive, you've now encouraged people to reuse passwords. People know when they sign up for your service that resetting a password is going to be expensive, so they'll use a password that they're sure not to forget, i.e. the password they use for everything else.
I would posit that even with this social engineering exploit, Google's two-factor SMS authentication is still more secure than charging people for password recoveries (and thus encouraging password reuse).
Re:Be warned, there's a nasty Google 2 factor auth attack go...
by _delirium on Sunday June 05, 2016 @04:49PM
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I seem to recall there were some services that charged a one-time small fee in the late-90s / early-2000s basically for that reason. But in the past 10 years most seem to have moved to requiring a mobile phone number as the hurdle instead. The idea is that it has some of the same deterrent effect for bad actors, since coming up with a steady stream of unused mobile numbers costs a nonzero amount, but produces less sign-up friction for legitimate users.
Re:Be warned, there's a nasty Google 2 factor auth attack go...
by bredman on Sunday June 05, 2016 @02:42PM
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IMO it's not that bad, people are used to paying locksmiths that much when locked out of houses or vehicles.
Re:Be warned, there's a nasty Google 2 factor auth attack go...
by kbar13 on Sunday June 05, 2016 @04:23PM
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that doesn't mean it's a good thing
Re:Be warned, there's a nasty Google 2 factor auth attack go...
by Alex3917 on Sunday June 05, 2016 @04:32PM
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> Charging $100 is pretty punitive
Not really, considering there is zero reason for anyone to ever lose a password assuming they are using a password manager. You could even make it free for the first few hours after the account is created or the password is changed in case the user pastes it into their password manager incorrectly.
Re:Be warned, there's a nasty Google 2 factor auth attack go...
by copperx on Sunday June 05, 2016 @05:19PM
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And how many "normal" people do you know that use a password manager? It's 0 for me. They don't even use post-it notes, which would be an improvement over "I'll just try to remember the password, and if I can't, I'll ask someone to help me ".
Re:Be warned, there's a nasty Google 2 factor auth attack go...
by lgas on Sunday June 05, 2016 @05:46PM
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Assuming the "someone" is the forgot password feature and not a person, this seems like a sound approach. It's basically using the site itself as a slightly clunky password manager.
Re:Be warned, there's a nasty Google 2 factor auth attack go...
by EpicEng on Monday June 06, 2016 @01:53AM
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>Not really, considering there is zero reason for anyone to ever lose a password assuming they are using a password manager
Oh, so in other words; a tiny fraction of the internet using public?
Stealing credit cards is cheap, yes, but the additional cost to using such a card on a password reset would still be a deterrent.