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Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by chvid on Sunday June 05, 2016 @09:41AM (#11840899)
I think this is a nice demonstration of how well direct democracy can work.

The argument against direct democracy (referendums on any subject any sizeable group wants to put on vote) is that people will be economically irresponsible and vote themselves popular, expensive goodies with no regards of financing or cost.

This shows otherwise.

Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by NaliSauce on Sunday June 05, 2016 @10:03AM (#11840999)
What if I told you that it was the people who forced the government to be fiscally responsible: https://www.efv.admin.ch/efv/en/home/themen/finanzpolitik_gr...

Many countries in Europe, including Switzerland, were ramping up debt. In Switzerland this was stopped by the people via a vote in 2001. In the eurozone it took the debt crisis.

Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by patrickaljord on Sunday June 05, 2016 @10:05AM (#11841006)
> This shows otherwise.

Switzerland is one the most highly educated and richest country on earth. Do you think the results of direct democracy would be equally responsible in Egypt, Syria or Bolivia? (I'm half-Syrian).

Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by nickik on Sunday June 05, 2016 @10:39AM (#11841187)
Maybe it is the richest country because of direct democracy ...
Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by saiya-jin on Sunday June 05, 2016 @05:16PM (#11843168)
it's a mixed bag. I know in my home country (Slovakia), if they had same vote as Swiss few years back, people would vote for some ridiculous bad stuff. One example out of many - extending minimum paid vacation per year from 4 weeks to 6. Swiss population said NO, because of the financial consequences to employers. Now tell me, how many countries out there would end up with same result given this option?

Quality attracts and breeds more quality. Somehow, they manage to pull it off for last 800 years, in one way or the other.

Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by Houshalter on Sunday June 05, 2016 @10:24AM (#11841104)
The argument against direct democracy is that the population isn't very informed. Not necessarily that they are selfish.

Even in the US, voters often tend to vote against their own self interest. E.g. people that stand to benefit from social programs often vote for conservatives against social programs.

Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by Godel_unicode on Monday June 06, 2016 @01:38AM (#11844871)
Could it be that those people think that more social programs would only be in their self-interest in the short term, and are taking a longer view (as appears to have just happened in Switzerland)?

Why is anyone who votes against short-term self-interest automatically uninformed?

Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by rayvd on Monday June 06, 2016 @11:27AM (#11847470)
This.

However, I think the prevailing thinking will lean more and more towards voting for the free stuff. Someone else is paying for it, right?

Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by lunchables on Sunday June 05, 2016 @12:23PM (#11841667)
I think it showed that 20-25% of people did exactly that. Probably correlates highly with the number of people that would have benefited from a direct income. I don't think this proved what you wanted to prove at all.
Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by rs999gti on Sunday June 05, 2016 @10:15AM (#11841055)
Wait - direct democracy is good when it comes to social issues but bad when it comes to economic ones?