Re:Tor Project Statement on Jacob Appelbaum
by gravypod on Saturday June 04, 2016 @11:19PM
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> I am really getting quite tired of the go-to "she lies"
The thing is that there is no proof given to these accusations. No police reports, no suits won, no due process executed to collect evidence, nothing. If even an iota of evidence were produced, then I'd believe it. But alas, there doesn't seem to be anything of that nature.
> Let's be fair here, defending the accused inherently means you're calling the victim(s) liars, especially this early in the event cycle. You're immediately assuming the accusers are lying for personal gain. You're being biased.
There is a difference between calling someone a liar and asking for due process. We don't have assumed guilt in most western courts as they operate on a "innocent until proven guilty" principle.
I'd like to ask, how would one -- if accused of rape -- prove they didn't do it in this situation? I'm fairly sure that the point of contention wasn't all of the parties having stayed with each other. I think the issue here is if there was and sexual acts that did happen.
Again, as soon as I'm given any information other then "he left Tor" and "some people made a website and put stories on it", then hell I'll lend you my pitch fork. But before then, I'm keeping my pitch forks locked in my shed.
The thing is that there is no proof given to these accusations. No police reports, no suits won, no due process executed to collect evidence, nothing. If even an iota of evidence were produced, then I'd believe it. But alas, there doesn't seem to be anything of that nature.
> Let's be fair here, defending the accused inherently means you're calling the victim(s) liars, especially this early in the event cycle. You're immediately assuming the accusers are lying for personal gain. You're being biased.
There is a difference between calling someone a liar and asking for due process. We don't have assumed guilt in most western courts as they operate on a "innocent until proven guilty" principle.
I'd like to ask, how would one -- if accused of rape -- prove they didn't do it in this situation? I'm fairly sure that the point of contention wasn't all of the parties having stayed with each other. I think the issue here is if there was and sexual acts that did happen.
Again, as soon as I'm given any information other then "he left Tor" and "some people made a website and put stories on it", then hell I'll lend you my pitch fork. But before then, I'm keeping my pitch forks locked in my shed.