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Re:Stem cells shown safe, beneficial for chronic stroke pati... by nbb on Friday June 03, 2016 @02:52PM (#11832376)
So every con artist should be unrestricted in selling false hope to the most desperate of us?
Re:Stem cells shown safe, beneficial for chronic stroke pati... by kafkaesq on Friday June 03, 2016 @03:20PM (#11832544)
Do you realize that this a straw man argument?
Re:Stem cells shown safe, beneficial for chronic stroke pati... by patall on Saturday June 04, 2016 @07:16AM (#11835910)
Do you realize that this is how the anti-vaxxer community gets along? And all the esotheric guys?
Re:Stem cells shown safe, beneficial for chronic stroke pati... by kafkaesq on Saturday June 04, 2016 @02:39PM (#11837423)
I don't, because I'm not part of those groups, and don't know anything about them, really.

But I can imagine that attempted smears-by-association (as you you are positing above) are common currency, in those communities.

Re:Stem cells shown safe, beneficial for chronic stroke pati... by nbb on Friday June 03, 2016 @05:48PM (#11833515)
I don't realize that because it's not.
Re:Stem cells shown safe, beneficial for chronic stroke pati... by kafkaesq on Saturday June 04, 2016 @02:25PM (#11837352)
When the original commenters said "Everyone, especially a chronically ill person on their deathbed, should be free to choose whatever experimental medical procedure they want", it's safe to assume he meant "within reason".

The "within reason" part is very important: As in, someone on their deathbed might have to go through certain hoops to get not-yet-approved treatment X (like signing waivers saying they understand the risks, etc); and there might other minimalist safeguards in place (such as that the chemicals are manufactured at regulated facilities; that the persons involved in administering the treatment have no criminal records or major fraud convictions against them) -- but ultimately, they can get access to treatment X.

By tweaking this to an extreme absolutist position -- "there should be no regulation of end-of-life treatments, of any kind, whatsoever; even if the person offering the trade is a convicted criminal and/ con-artist" you are standing up a false argument that the original commenter wasn't making.

Re:Stem cells shown safe, beneficial for chronic stroke pati... by rhizome on Friday June 03, 2016 @07:29PM (#11833993)
It wasn't a strawman, but it was a pretty aggressive argument in bad faith.
Re:Stem cells shown safe, beneficial for chronic stroke pati... by marshray on Friday June 03, 2016 @08:18PM (#11834206)
You've never worked in a specialist medical clinic.

Edit: not intended to sound ad hominem

Re:Stem cells shown safe, beneficial for chronic stroke pati... by rhizome on Saturday June 04, 2016 @02:55PM (#11837490)
a) How do you know?

b) The phrase you're looking for is "argument from authority," which it is.

Re:Stem cells shown safe, beneficial for chronic stroke pati... by marshray on Monday June 06, 2016 @07:28PM (#11851329)
a) I don't know, it was a guess from experience.

b) Sometimes people cry 'ad hominem' after any statement that refers to the debating party ('you') and I wanted to avoid that.