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Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by LeoPanthera on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:21PM (#11826587)
Alternatives to TeamViewer?
Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by ralmidani on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:32PM (#11826650)
VNC. It requires some manual setup (a server as well as clients), but it is free (as in freedom) software, so unlike TeamViewer there are no restrictions on how you use it.

I use Debian GNU+Linux, where TightVNC is one of the best options, and it has worked great for professional pair programming.

Digital Ocean did a great article on how to get set up: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-...

Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by roywiggins on Thursday June 02, 2016 @07:10PM (#11826913)
Yes but that does you very little good when you need to provide remote tech support to your parents. VNC doesn't help you forward ports through router firewalls or provide dyndns so you can actually find the IP address of the computer you installed it on.
Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by benjohnson on Thursday June 02, 2016 @07:21PM (#11826995)
If you have a forward on your firewall, you can tell the remote party "right-click on the VNC icon in the lower right, add new client, and punch in $MY_IP_ADDRESS" Their VNC service will connect to your VNC viewer.

You can also script it - I have a Cygwin service that I made that checks a website for a command to trigger a reverse VNC connection.

Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by netheril96 on Thursday June 02, 2016 @08:27PM (#11827447)
Doesn't work when your family is behind double NAT.
Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by akira2501 on Thursday June 02, 2016 @09:38PM (#11827724)
Why wouldn't it? It only relies on the ability to create a single outbound TCP connection; surely double NAT doesn't impede that?

If both parties are double NAT, then sure, you have a problem, but aside from that; as long the party you are connecting to doesn't -- it should work fine as described.

Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by nonane on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:57PM (#11826835)
Check out Jump Desktop: https://jumpdesktop.com. It has a zero setup client that you can install - no need to port forward etc, works across firewalls and easy enough for your parents to install. It's secure - we use WebRTC underneath the covers (connections are encrypted end-to-end). It has iOS, Android, Mac and PC clients. We're also beta testing a free PC to PC+Mac version here: https://support.jumpdesktop.com/entries/109741706-Jump-Deskt...

If you have any questions about security feel free to ask.

Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by hackuser on Thursday June 02, 2016 @09:36PM (#11827716)
How do I know that you can't access the host or client computers?
Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by nonane on Thursday June 02, 2016 @10:17PM (#11827847)
We've tried to make sure the host and clients don't completely trust our cloud servers. For example the "Jump Desktop Connect" app on the host always requires credentials for a valid local account on the computer before it allows incoming connections through. It won't let accounts with blank passwords through. Also the credential transfer always happens over an end-to-end encrypted connection between the two devices - which means our cloud servers don't get to see or have access to your local computer's creds. This way, if someone gets a hold of your Jump Desktop account, they won't be able to get through unless they also know your local computer's creds.

Another way we protect hosts is by not allowing random hosts and clients to communicate with each other unless you've given explicit permission to each host/client. This means that Bob can't load up the Jump Desktop client and try to randomly brute force Alice's local account password by trying to connect repeatedly. The cloud server will drop Bob's connection requests to Alice unless Alice has explicitly given Bob permission to connect.

The above applies to our zero setup app, Jump Desktop Connect. Jump Desktop is also a full blown RDP and VNC client (with SSH support) - so you don't really have to use the Jump Desktop Connect app if you don't want to. You can use traditional RDP / VNC-over-SSH to establish secure connections as well.

Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by swozey on Thursday June 02, 2016 @11:09PM (#11828037)
Do you have a system to block, mitigate or monitor for "strange" IP blocks accessing systems they've never accessed before? It's a great idea if not. We have, unfortunately, had to do this in webhosting/billing for a long time due to the amount of fraud from specific blocks.

Not as dynamic, but for instance LastPass will allow you to blacklist or whitelist entire country IP blocks. A system that also monitors (on your end, or maybe alerts the customer) that their machine in Kansas all of a sudden has multiple IPs from China/whatever accessing it (on your end seeing this globally through the network as well) would be great to mitigate events like this. If you go on vacation, you can remove the block.

So far every report I've seen has been Guangzhao/Yangzhao in the access reports. Could easily, easily nip that in the bud. Obviously other proxies could be used but something like a remote access system is something people should be locking down tightly.

Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by hackney on Friday June 03, 2016 @11:07AM (#11830736)
I like the demo video, but if it is tied to the play store (can't even download it direct from you) or I have to login to an unknown server such as jumpdesktop, never gonna happen my fiend.
Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by arthurfm on Friday June 03, 2016 @10:12AM (#11830391)
Chrome Remote Desktop [1] from Google.

[1] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-remote-desk...

Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by Splines on Friday June 03, 2016 @11:18AM (#11830802)
Has anyone done any security analysis of this? I use it but after this TeamViewer debacle I'm a little nervous.

I have a certain amount of trust in Google but their Remote Desktop product feels like something that could plausibly be internally understaffed.

Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by ubercow on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:43PM (#11826725)
If you're using Chrome, I've had good luck with Chrome Remote Desktop.
Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by fencepost on Thursday June 02, 2016 @09:37PM (#11827721)
This is a partial list I posted on a site for IT techs, so it's geared toward the use of these packages for remote support more than for remote access. The packages in question are the ones most often mentioned on that and a few other sites.

A couple others that were mentioned were UltraVNC and IMPCRemote, both VNC-based. There are also many other VNC-based options available as well (e.g. Fog Creek Copilot), but I'm not aware of any that have performance that I'd consider acceptable.

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* Ammyy - Tool of scammers everywhere, DO NOT USE

* Splashtop - inexpensive, no-frills. Options for unattended, resellable unattended, and attended/client-initiated but all are separate products. Annual pricing, but cheap. Hosted by them.

* Instant Housecall - active with forums and podcasts as well, includes toolkit based on D7. Subscription, $30/40/75/month. Hosted by them.

* ScreenConnect - former local darling until bought by ConnectWise/LabTech which raised prices. Subscription, $50/month annual, cheaper options available with fewer features. Hosted by them unless you're spending $2200+. Has (had?) active forums and many scripts you could add in for cleaning, etc.

* Simple-Help - pricing similar to ScreenConnect's old pricing ($320/year + 20% annual maint). Self-hosted by you. Discounts may be available including links from here back when ScreenConnect raised their prices. For an extra 50% you get remote monitoring and some tools but I have no experience with them. Never as actively developed as ScreenConnect. If the RMM features are good enough it's surprisingly affordable (under $1/month per endpoint the first year, $0.20/month per endpoint after that, all in blocks of 40 endpoints)

* MSPAnywhere/BeAnywhere - $50/month subscription, purchased by Solarwinds (N-Able) in 2015. I don't think it has integrated tools, but has a good reputation for remote control.

* TeamViewer - Solid product, one-time purchase (plus fees for upgrades) $800+. Has some sort of addon available for support/tools I believe.

* LogMeIn - had many fans here until a few years ago when the price increases started. Not sure anyone here still uses them.

* Chrome Remote Desktop - Free, and you get what you pay for. You can contemplate your errors as you wait for the other end to reconnect you. Again.

* Zoho - VNC based? I know little about it other than being pretty sure it exists.

* AnyDesk - €60/year or has a 6-year license at a discount. More expensive Professional version allows what I think is unattended access with the extra-charge PowerUser option.

Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by gruez on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:25PM (#11826610)
RDP(no additional install needed) or anydesk(low latency codec)
Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by ocdtrekkie on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:43PM (#11826726)
RDP for wide Internet use is a sketchy choice, IMHO. Configuration is a pain, particularly if you live in DHCP land like most home users. It doesn't perform very well in that environment from my experience either.
Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by JonathonW on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:51PM (#11826778)
IME RDP performance is fine these days if you've got even a halfway decent upstream connection-- the newer clients and servers are much better about tolerating low bandwidth/high latency connections than they used to be (they finally ditched the naive "forward the GDI calls" approach they used to take and do lossy compression much like VNC now).

I don't expose it to the internet, though. Only thing on my home network that is exposed directly to the internet is an SSH gateway (using public key auth, passwords disabled); from there, I can forward SSH or VNC or whatever I need access to.

Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by ryanl0l on Thursday June 02, 2016 @07:25PM (#11827024)
RDP at home is certainly difficult, but I have to disagree on the performance bit. In fact, RDP is probably by far the best such protocol in use right now.
Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by vubuntu on Friday June 03, 2016 @01:36AM (#11828541)
iPad or other tablet with facetime or skype. Open a chat session, ask parents to point camera at laptop screen. Then guide them thru steps (click on this, click on that etc). Bit more time (and patience) intensive but has the side effect of making parents/relatives more familiar with doing new things on the computer as well as satisfaction of some level of self sufficiency :) . Only useful for this type of remote support use cases only though.
Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by dimino on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:54PM (#11826810)
Google Remote Desktop, maybe?
Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by Buge on Thursday June 02, 2016 @09:39PM (#11827733)
Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by jsutton on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:28PM (#11826626)
LogMeIn
Re:TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal account... by darkr on Thursday June 02, 2016 @08:21PM (#11827415)
Expensive (nearly £1k/agent/year) and afaik only works on Windows (for the agent viewer)